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In Germany you have the KFZ Steuer which brings in about €9.4b every year. You pay KFZ when you have a car. [0] https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/

In Germany you have the KFZ Steuer which brings in about €9.4b every year. You pay KFZ when you have a car. [0] https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Downloads/Broschueren_Bestellservice/2018-03-29-zoll-kraftfahrzeugsteuer.html https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Downloads/...

sva_ 5y ago
In Germany, landlords have to pay a percentage of the cost of roads built around it. In some cases this might be a huge percentage, depending on how much the road is used by the public.
- Xylakant 5y ago
  Only once, when the road is built, ongoing maintenance is paid from general taxes.
  - DocTomoe 5y ago
    Actually, no, when the road is being overhauled, the town can come back with you with another invoice. See "Straßenbaubeiträge" [1]. Sometimes, these are prohibitively expensive, forcing homeowners to abandon their property, often amounting to several 10k Euros [2]. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenbaubeitrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenbaubeitrag [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdigJ6dOL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdigJ6dOL8
Xylakant 5y ago
That’s a tax that goes to the federal government only. It pays for federal roads (Autobahn and Bundesstraße) and badly at that - the latest numbers I could find are for 2018 and there, expenses were above 10 billion euros. (1) State roads and roads in cities are paid from the states and the cities budget, the KFZ-Steuer does nothing to offset those - it’s all financed from other taxes and fees. (1) https://www.deutschlandinzahlen.de/tab/deutschland/infrastruktur/verkehr-und-transport/ausgaben-fuer-den-verkehr https://www.deutschlandinzahlen.de/tab/deutschland/infrastru...
- sokoloff 5y ago
  > It pays for federal roads (Autobahn and Bundesstraße) and badly at that If the tax brings in €9.4B and the expenses are €10B per year, that seems pretty balanced to me.
  - Xylakant 5y ago
    The expenses for federal roads are about 1/2 or 1/3 of all road costs. City roads costs are a bit hard to come by, but are in the same ballpark as the Autobahn, and I could not find a good number for Landstraßen, which would be paid for by the states. It’s not balanced at all.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  In Germany, there is no direct link of a tax and where that income is being used to - it all goes into a big tax pot, and everything is being paid out of that. What you mean is a "Gebühr" (roughly translated to "a fee"), which can be linked to a particular expense, but vehicle taxes and gas taxes are specifically NOT a Gebühr.
  - Xylakant 5y ago
    I very much meant what I said: Taxes do not go into the same huge pot from which they are distributed some taxes go to the federal governments pot, others to the states, yet others to the city/local council (Einkommenssteuer and Gewerbesteuer for example). There is some redistribution happening, but it’s pretty specific (Länderfinanzausgleich, the federal government pays for some costs which are handled by the local governments). So while taxes are not bound to a purpose, but they are bound to the part of the government they go to: Federal taxes go to the Bundeshaushalt, which pays for the Bundesstraßen and Bundesautobahnen (hence the name) and since all other roads are not paid by the federal government - this they can’t be paid for by federal taxes (among them the KFZ-Steuer)

sva_ 5y ago

In Germany, landlords have to pay a percentage of the cost of roads built around it. In some cases this might be a huge percentage, depending on how much the road is used by the public.

Xylakant 5y ago
Only once, when the road is built, ongoing maintenance is paid from general taxes.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  Actually, no, when the road is being overhauled, the town can come back with you with another invoice. See "Straßenbaubeiträge" [1]. Sometimes, these are prohibitively expensive, forcing homeowners to abandon their property, often amounting to several 10k Euros [2]. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenbaubeitrag https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stra%C3%9Fenbaubeitrag [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdigJ6dOL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdigJ6dOL8

Xylakant 5y ago

That’s a tax that goes to the federal government only. It pays for federal roads (Autobahn and Bundesstraße) and badly at that - the latest numbers I could find are for 2018 and there, expenses were above 10 billion euros. (1) State roads and roads in cities are paid from the states and the cities budget, the KFZ-Steuer does nothing to offset those - it’s all financed from other taxes and fees. (1) https://www.deutschlandinzahlen.de/tab/deutschland/infrastruktur/verkehr-und-transport/ausgaben-fuer-den-verkehr https://www.deutschlandinzahlen.de/tab/deutschland/infrastru...

sokoloff 5y ago
> It pays for federal roads (Autobahn and Bundesstraße) and badly at that If the tax brings in €9.4B and the expenses are €10B per year, that seems pretty balanced to me.
- Xylakant 5y ago
  The expenses for federal roads are about 1/2 or 1/3 of all road costs. City roads costs are a bit hard to come by, but are in the same ballpark as the Autobahn, and I could not find a good number for Landstraßen, which would be paid for by the states. It’s not balanced at all.
DocTomoe 5y ago
In Germany, there is no direct link of a tax and where that income is being used to - it all goes into a big tax pot, and everything is being paid out of that. What you mean is a "Gebühr" (roughly translated to "a fee"), which can be linked to a particular expense, but vehicle taxes and gas taxes are specifically NOT a Gebühr.
- Xylakant 5y ago
  I very much meant what I said: Taxes do not go into the same huge pot from which they are distributed some taxes go to the federal governments pot, others to the states, yet others to the city/local council (Einkommenssteuer and Gewerbesteuer for example). There is some redistribution happening, but it’s pretty specific (Länderfinanzausgleich, the federal government pays for some costs which are handled by the local governments). So while taxes are not bound to a purpose, but they are bound to the part of the government they go to: Federal taxes go to the Bundeshaushalt, which pays for the Bundesstraßen and Bundesautobahnen (hence the name) and since all other roads are not paid by the federal government - this they can’t be paid for by federal taxes (among them the KFZ-Steuer)