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Can you explain a little bit more? What odds? What part of that successful people do? What do you mean by loser?

by lampe3 5y ago

bennysomething 5y ago
Well it seems that most people do end up the average of their friends.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  That's an astute observation. Choosing winners for friends, and cutting loose the losers, will increase your odds of success. For example, if you want to be good at skiing, hang out with people who are good at skiing.
  - GameOfFrowns 5y ago
    This only works if your peers aren't following the same strategy of maximizing potential otherwise they would just cut you out for being the least successful friend.
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      If you look hard enough for a reason to fail, you'll surely find one.
      - lampe3 5y ago
        [flagged]
    - lukas099 5y ago
      Unless you can manage to be good at something they want to be better at.
WalterBright 5y ago
Even the simple act of trying will improve your odds of success. Some basic strategies: 1. stay in school 2. don't do drugs 3. don't do crimes If you want to be a pro basketball player, your odds will improve if you practice playing basketball. Want to be a guitar god? Get a guitar and start practicing. Every guitar god I've heard of have one thing in common - they played a lot, for many many years, before breaking through. Doing nothing pretty much guarantees you won't get what you want. This isn't rocket science. > What do you mean by loser? Doesn't matter what my personal definition is. I bet you have your own personal definition of a loser. You'll increase your odds of becoming one by doing what they do.
- bitwize 5y ago
  > Some basic strategies: > 1. stay in school > 2. don't do drugs > 3. don't do crimes You forgot: 4. be born to rich parents That probably has a greater influence on chances of success than most others.
  - kbenson 5y ago
    It probably does, but it's not something you can affect, so not really of note when discussing what you can do to increase you odds of succeeding in something, which is what he was doing. It's also worth noting that the advice applies to people born wealthy too. You aren't likely to become a guitar god without practice even if you have money. It just might be easier to find the time to actually practice.
    - hirvi74 5y ago
      > not really of note when discussing what you can do to increase you odds of succeeding in something It's because it chips away at people's egos. It hurts people to realize how much of their success was pure luck. It's hard to look down on others that way. Same with intelligence -- no one chooses their intelligence, so I find it odd when people boast about their borderline-pseudo-science-better-than-you-score, I mean, IQ score. What is the story about the emerald mining, abused Zambian worker who turned into billionaire who started their own space program again? Right, it wasn't that person, but the son of the family that owned the mines that started his own space program (Musk). > It's also worth noting that the advice applies to people born wealthy too. You aren't likely to become a guitar god without practice even if you have money. It just might be easier to find the time to actually practice. I completely agree. One has to use what is given to them, but it's a lot easier to use an ability when one has an opportunity. I can't remember who, but a highly talented and famous musician , was once asked, "Who do you think the greatest <instrument> player of all time is?" He said, "It was probably some kid in a 3rd-world factory who never got to hold an instrument in their life."
inter_netuser 5y ago
>What part of that successful people do? 1. they are rarely stupid 2. they often sleep a lot less 3. they more often than not are hyperthymiacs (related to #2). 4. they produce unlimited amounts of self-generated morale (related to #3). 5. they are stress tolerant (related to #4) 6. they are healthier in general (related to all of the above) I don't know very many successful people with numerous chronic health conditions that impair their cognition to the point of debility, who are asleep 16 hours a day, constantly depressed and demotivated and break down at the first sight of adversity. Do you?
- WalterBright 5y ago
  My productivity drops drastically if I don't get enough sleep.
  - caddemon 5y ago
    Yeah, seriously! Besides my own personal productivity, I also noticed in college that the amount of sleep my dormmates got correlated well with academic success, moreso than class attendance did. Of course it could be that those who struggled just had to stay up later, but I'm pretty convinced there was a terrible feedback loop in play.
- klausjensen 5y ago
  I looked up Hyperthymic/hyperthymia, so you don't have to...: Hyperthymic temperament, or hyperthymia ... is a proposed personality type characterized by an exceptionally, or in some cases, abnormally positive mood and disposition. It is generally defined by increased energy, vividness and enthusiasm for life activities, as opposed to dysthymia. (from wikipedia)
- lampe3 5y ago
  > 1. they are rarely stupid not all of them but the tendency: a) Influencer b) pornstars c) tv stars > 2. they often sleep a lot less > 3. they more often than not are hyperthymiacs (related to #2). I asked that all of my bosses they do sleep as much as I or any other healthy person. > 4. they produce unlimited amounts of self-generated morale (related to #3). Internal and External motivation is a thing but sure a depressed person will probably be not successful. It does not mean that Internal motivated person will be successful or that it even helps. I would like to see some evidence for that. > 5. they are stress tolerant (related to #4) Again some evidence that this is a general treat would be nice. > 6. they are healthier in general Not really the heart attack risk in C Level or management or related positions is very high. We just don't talk about dead people anymore. Steve Jobs is the outlier here. > I don't know very many successful people with numerous chronic health conditions that impair their cognition to the point of debility, who are asleep 16 hours a day, constantly depressed and demotivated and break down at the first sight of adversity. Because they are either dead or don't want to be know or we just don't want to talk about them because they don't fit our perfect world view. Also the person you are describing needs help a lot of it and I don't see how this proves that the opposite would lead to success.

Can you explain a little bit more? What odds? What part of that successful people do? What do you mean by loser?

by lampe3 5y ago

Can you explain a little bit more? What odds? What part of that successful people do? What do you mean by loser?

bennysomething 5y ago

Well it seems that most people do end up the average of their friends.

WalterBright 5y ago
That's an astute observation. Choosing winners for friends, and cutting loose the losers, will increase your odds of success. For example, if you want to be good at skiing, hang out with people who are good at skiing.
- GameOfFrowns 5y ago
  This only works if your peers aren't following the same strategy of maximizing potential otherwise they would just cut you out for being the least successful friend.
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    If you look hard enough for a reason to fail, you'll surely find one.
    - lampe3 5y ago
      [flagged]
  - lukas099 5y ago
    Unless you can manage to be good at something they want to be better at.

WalterBright 5y ago

Even the simple act of trying will improve your odds of success. Some basic strategies: 1. stay in school 2. don't do drugs 3. don't do crimes If you want to be a pro basketball player, your odds will improve if you practice playing basketball. Want to be a guitar god? Get a guitar and start practicing. Every guitar god I've heard of have one thing in common - they played a lot, for many many years, before breaking through. Doing nothing pretty much guarantees you won't get what you want. This isn't rocket science. > What do you mean by loser? Doesn't matter what my personal definition is. I bet you have your own personal definition of a loser. You'll increase your odds of becoming one by doing what they do.

bitwize 5y ago
> Some basic strategies: > 1. stay in school > 2. don't do drugs > 3. don't do crimes You forgot: 4. be born to rich parents That probably has a greater influence on chances of success than most others.
- kbenson 5y ago
  It probably does, but it's not something you can affect, so not really of note when discussing what you can do to increase you odds of succeeding in something, which is what he was doing. It's also worth noting that the advice applies to people born wealthy too. You aren't likely to become a guitar god without practice even if you have money. It just might be easier to find the time to actually practice.
  - hirvi74 5y ago
    > not really of note when discussing what you can do to increase you odds of succeeding in something It's because it chips away at people's egos. It hurts people to realize how much of their success was pure luck. It's hard to look down on others that way. Same with intelligence -- no one chooses their intelligence, so I find it odd when people boast about their borderline-pseudo-science-better-than-you-score, I mean, IQ score. What is the story about the emerald mining, abused Zambian worker who turned into billionaire who started their own space program again? Right, it wasn't that person, but the son of the family that owned the mines that started his own space program (Musk). > It's also worth noting that the advice applies to people born wealthy too. You aren't likely to become a guitar god without practice even if you have money. It just might be easier to find the time to actually practice. I completely agree. One has to use what is given to them, but it's a lot easier to use an ability when one has an opportunity. I can't remember who, but a highly talented and famous musician , was once asked, "Who do you think the greatest <instrument> player of all time is?" He said, "It was probably some kid in a 3rd-world factory who never got to hold an instrument in their life."

inter_netuser 5y ago

>What part of that successful people do? 1. they are rarely stupid 2. they often sleep a lot less 3. they more often than not are hyperthymiacs (related to #2). 4. they produce unlimited amounts of self-generated morale (related to #3). 5. they are stress tolerant (related to #4) 6. they are healthier in general (related to all of the above) I don't know very many successful people with numerous chronic health conditions that impair their cognition to the point of debility, who are asleep 16 hours a day, constantly depressed and demotivated and break down at the first sight of adversity. Do you?

WalterBright 5y ago
My productivity drops drastically if I don't get enough sleep.
- caddemon 5y ago
  Yeah, seriously! Besides my own personal productivity, I also noticed in college that the amount of sleep my dormmates got correlated well with academic success, moreso than class attendance did. Of course it could be that those who struggled just had to stay up later, but I'm pretty convinced there was a terrible feedback loop in play.
klausjensen 5y ago
I looked up Hyperthymic/hyperthymia, so you don't have to...: Hyperthymic temperament, or hyperthymia ... is a proposed personality type characterized by an exceptionally, or in some cases, abnormally positive mood and disposition. It is generally defined by increased energy, vividness and enthusiasm for life activities, as opposed to dysthymia. (from wikipedia)
lampe3 5y ago
> 1. they are rarely stupid not all of them but the tendency: a) Influencer b) pornstars c) tv stars > 2. they often sleep a lot less > 3. they more often than not are hyperthymiacs (related to #2). I asked that all of my bosses they do sleep as much as I or any other healthy person. > 4. they produce unlimited amounts of self-generated morale (related to #3). Internal and External motivation is a thing but sure a depressed person will probably be not successful. It does not mean that Internal motivated person will be successful or that it even helps. I would like to see some evidence for that. > 5. they are stress tolerant (related to #4) Again some evidence that this is a general treat would be nice. > 6. they are healthier in general Not really the heart attack risk in C Level or management or related positions is very high. We just don't talk about dead people anymore. Steve Jobs is the outlier here. > I don't know very many successful people with numerous chronic health conditions that impair their cognition to the point of debility, who are asleep 16 hours a day, constantly depressed and demotivated and break down at the first sight of adversity. Because they are either dead or don't want to be know or we just don't want to talk about them because they don't fit our perfect world view. Also the person you are describing needs help a lot of it and I don't see how this proves that the opposite would lead to success.