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Very cool. Nice that it runs without all the processes... But that will come at a certain point haha. I like that they implemented composing tabs between diffe

Very cool. Nice that it runs without all the processes... But that will come at a certain point haha. I like that they implemented composing tabs between different applications. This is the way I try to organize work/projecta/projectb/personal use, but it never works with current osses. Spaces in macOS is actually kind of useless, because certain applications have windows across screens (finder, chrome). Tabbed Finder windows are the most useless thing ever.. It's Apple listening to HN haha. Anyway, screenshot on twitter: https://twitter.com/_nakst/status/1477247856805351425/photo/1 https://twitter.com/_nakst/status/1477247856805351425/photo/... and gitlab https://gitlab.com/nakst/essence https://gitlab.com/nakst/essence

divs1210 5y ago
> Tabbed Finder windows are the most useless thing ever. Hard disagree. I use them all the time.
- jbverschoor 5y ago
  In what way?
- mromanuk 5y ago
  I don't use finder tabs much. I just use them to create a new tab, when I need to copy something inside a directory without losing my current "state". I tend to use finder tabs very differently than the browser tabs where I can have many different websites, but later I tend to forget why I have those there. I'm glad that MacOS can restore everything pretty well after a logout/login. A major focus of OS should be on managing these "work state" through new UI paradigms/tools. edit: typos
kevincox 5y ago
> Tabbed Finder windows are the most useless thing ever.. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I had to switch off of Nautilus because it kept trying to make me open things in new tabs instead of new windows. The thing is that I don't use the file manager much and 9/10 times I want to open directories is because I want to move files between them or less often visually compare which doesn't work well with tabs.
- vidarh 5y ago
  The state of file managers is really annoying. I'm currently using Caja, which is a Nautilus fork for MATE, so basically Nautilus frozen in time before they yanked the spatial bit and destroyed a bunch of the rest of the usability too, and it's better but still then hampered by just undoing the latest generations of damage done to it, not trying to do better - it was never great. To start with, I wish all of these would learn the lessons from E.g. AmigaOS of separating the "serious file manager" (which would tend to be e.g. Directory Opus or Disk Master II) from the launcher / desktop (e.g. Workbench). Though Directory Opus could be used as a Workbench replacement. Secondly, I wish they'd all learn from the "middle ground" Workbench offered as a spatial-ish launcher: Workbench does not force only one open window for a given directory, so it's not fully spatial. It also does not remember the locations of everything unless you make it. But it does let you lay out directories spatially on the desktop and "snapshot" their locations and the locations of the files within them. And that makes it far superior as a launcher because you can organise your most used directories etc. for easy access. I get why people hated on a fully spatial launcher, but the tradeoffs of Workbench gave it the main benefits people who like spatial launchers/file managers tend to be looking for without the downsides people who hate them tend to hate the most - e.g. you can use Workbench without ever being affected by it's ability to snapshot icon positions or window positions if you prefer. These don't make it a good file manager, but for that a multi-pane design is far better anyway and trying to shoehorn the full flexibility of a good file manager into a launcher is a folly. Dual pane + a command palette is a start, but e.g. DiskMaster II is the one I like best, because it lets your fully configure the layout with arbitrary file listing windows + arbitrary command palettes. For a file manager with that flexibility also having the option to open in tabs would be great, as long as it can be turned off. The result of insisting on trying to combine the two seems to usually be something which is bad at both (though nothing really prevent you from making something that reuses most of the functionality to let you configure it to work like both a good launcher and a good file manager, it seems temptation then quickly turns to trying to merge the two modes)
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    Tried https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/zzzfm https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/zzzfm ? edit: This is the maintained fork of a fork of https://ignorantguru.github.io/spacefm/ https://ignorantguru.github.io/spacefm/ edit because forgotten: which in turn is a fork of an early version of https://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM https://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM and several 'mods' thereof. Anyways. For me it's really usable, even without too much fiddling. Stays out of the way. Doesn't need much RAM and can handle anything I throw at it, which may not be 'Data-Hoarder' territory exactly, but I do have large Tsundoku-stacks which require work to shrink them, and the usual assortment of movies and music, pictures, sources, and so on.
perryizgr8 5y ago
> I like that they implemented composing tabs between different applications. This is the way I try to organize work/projecta/projectb/personal use, but it never works with current osses. This workflow works very well for me on Win10. I can easily separate work/hobby stuff by using different desktops.

divs1210 5y ago

> Tabbed Finder windows are the most useless thing ever. Hard disagree. I use them all the time.

jbverschoor 5y ago
In what way?
mromanuk 5y ago
I don't use finder tabs much. I just use them to create a new tab, when I need to copy something inside a directory without losing my current "state". I tend to use finder tabs very differently than the browser tabs where I can have many different websites, but later I tend to forget why I have those there. I'm glad that MacOS can restore everything pretty well after a logout/login. A major focus of OS should be on managing these "work state" through new UI paradigms/tools. edit: typos

kevincox 5y ago

> Tabbed Finder windows are the most useless thing ever.. I'm glad I'm not the only one. I had to switch off of Nautilus because it kept trying to make me open things in new tabs instead of new windows. The thing is that I don't use the file manager much and 9/10 times I want to open directories is because I want to move files between them or less often visually compare which doesn't work well with tabs.

vidarh 5y ago
The state of file managers is really annoying. I'm currently using Caja, which is a Nautilus fork for MATE, so basically Nautilus frozen in time before they yanked the spatial bit and destroyed a bunch of the rest of the usability too, and it's better but still then hampered by just undoing the latest generations of damage done to it, not trying to do better - it was never great. To start with, I wish all of these would learn the lessons from E.g. AmigaOS of separating the "serious file manager" (which would tend to be e.g. Directory Opus or Disk Master II) from the launcher / desktop (e.g. Workbench). Though Directory Opus could be used as a Workbench replacement. Secondly, I wish they'd all learn from the "middle ground" Workbench offered as a spatial-ish launcher: Workbench does not force only one open window for a given directory, so it's not fully spatial. It also does not remember the locations of everything unless you make it. But it does let you lay out directories spatially on the desktop and "snapshot" their locations and the locations of the files within them. And that makes it far superior as a launcher because you can organise your most used directories etc. for easy access. I get why people hated on a fully spatial launcher, but the tradeoffs of Workbench gave it the main benefits people who like spatial launchers/file managers tend to be looking for without the downsides people who hate them tend to hate the most - e.g. you can use Workbench without ever being affected by it's ability to snapshot icon positions or window positions if you prefer. These don't make it a good file manager, but for that a multi-pane design is far better anyway and trying to shoehorn the full flexibility of a good file manager into a launcher is a folly. Dual pane + a command palette is a start, but e.g. DiskMaster II is the one I like best, because it lets your fully configure the layout with arbitrary file listing windows + arbitrary command palettes. For a file manager with that flexibility also having the option to open in tabs would be great, as long as it can be turned off. The result of insisting on trying to combine the two seems to usually be something which is bad at both (though nothing really prevent you from making something that reuses most of the functionality to let you configure it to work like both a good launcher and a good file manager, it seems temptation then quickly turns to trying to merge the two modes)
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Tried https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/zzzfm https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/zzzfm ? edit: This is the maintained fork of a fork of https://ignorantguru.github.io/spacefm/ https://ignorantguru.github.io/spacefm/ edit because forgotten: which in turn is a fork of an early version of https://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM https://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM and several 'mods' thereof. Anyways. For me it's really usable, even without too much fiddling. Stays out of the way. Doesn't need much RAM and can handle anything I throw at it, which may not be 'Data-Hoarder' territory exactly, but I do have large Tsundoku-stacks which require work to shrink them, and the usual assortment of movies and music, pictures, sources, and so on.

perryizgr8 5y ago

> I like that they implemented composing tabs between different applications. This is the way I try to organize work/projecta/projectb/personal use, but it never works with current osses. This workflow works very well for me on Win10. I can easily separate work/hobby stuff by using different desktops.