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All of the papers you are referring to would not be available for another 20 years as of the 1980s :)

by fao_ 5y ago

igouy 5y ago
Just waiting for someone to say what exactly they mean by interoperability, and then have them show it was not provided in Smalltalk implementations (and then have them show it was provided by other tools during the same period).
igouy 5y ago
Let's establish when the software became available. "We began selling at the end of 1986, but Smalltalk was not offered out of Xerox itself until mid-1988, said ParcPlace spokeswoman Helene Tannor." https://techmonitor.ai/techonology/object_oriented_languages_parcplace_extends_its_smalltalk_80_tools_to_decstation https://techmonitor.ai/techonology/object_oriented_languages... ---- Sept 21, 1987 — "A version of the Smalltalk-80 object-oriented development environment … has been announced by Parcplace Systems. Smalltalk-80 DE version 2.2 is said to provide Unix environments with interprocess communication via sockets and access to Unix C shells. On the Apple Macintosh, it provides access to Desk Accessories and provides the ability to cut and paste between the Smalltalk-80 system and the clipboard." https://books.google.com/books?id=ldk7z4Q-WWYC&pg=RA4-PA4&lpg=RA4-PA4&dq=parcplace+systems+smalltalk+unix&source=bl&ots=wu-wjvvhER&sig=ACfU3U0OVJz47CQJVgfudtu9NlAonZ7wDQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc8dDK87n1AhVVH0QIHV50Alc4ChDoAXoECA8QAw#v=onepage&q=parcplace%20systems%20smalltalk%20unix&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=ldk7z4Q-WWYC&pg=RA4-PA4&lp...
- fao_ 5y ago
  Ok, sure, but "is said to provide" is not proof that it provided that. Lots of companies have put out marketing material that blatantly lied or inaccurately represented their upcoming product -- in fact not only was it more blatant back then but the term originated back then - "Vapourware". The fact that the only papers thusfar procured were written 15 years later really does not help your point.

All of the papers you are referring to would not be available for another 20 years as of the 1980s :)

by fao_ 5y ago

All of the papers you are referring to would not be available for another 20 years as of the 1980s :)

Just waiting for someone to say what exactly they mean by interoperability, and then have them show it was not provided in Smalltalk implementations (and then have them show it was provided by other tools during the same period).

igouy 5y ago

Let's establish when the software became available. "We began selling at the end of 1986, but Smalltalk was not offered out of Xerox itself until mid-1988, said ParcPlace spokeswoman Helene Tannor." https://techmonitor.ai/techonology/object_oriented_languages_parcplace_extends_its_smalltalk_80_tools_to_decstation https://techmonitor.ai/techonology/object_oriented_languages... ---- Sept 21, 1987 — "A version of the Smalltalk-80 object-oriented development environment … has been announced by Parcplace Systems. Smalltalk-80 DE version 2.2 is said to provide Unix environments with interprocess communication via sockets and access to Unix C shells. On the Apple Macintosh, it provides access to Desk Accessories and provides the ability to cut and paste between the Smalltalk-80 system and the clipboard." https://books.google.com/books?id=ldk7z4Q-WWYC&pg=RA4-PA4&lpg=RA4-PA4&dq=parcplace+systems+smalltalk+unix&source=bl&ots=wu-wjvvhER&sig=ACfU3U0OVJz47CQJVgfudtu9NlAonZ7wDQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjc8dDK87n1AhVVH0QIHV50Alc4ChDoAXoECA8QAw#v=onepage&q=parcplace%20systems%20smalltalk%20unix&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=ldk7z4Q-WWYC&pg=RA4-PA4&lp...

fao_ 5y ago
Ok, sure, but "is said to provide" is not proof that it provided that. Lots of companies have put out marketing material that blatantly lied or inaccurately represented their upcoming product -- in fact not only was it more blatant back then but the term originated back then - "Vapourware". The fact that the only papers thusfar procured were written 15 years later really does not help your point.