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Enterprise customer here. throw away account, since not sure how much I should be able to divulge... 1: we are paying (ballpark) 5-10k for our account. We have

Enterprise customer here. throw away account, since not sure how much I should be able to divulge... 1: we are paying (ballpark) 5-10k for our account. We have 5-10 domains on the enterprise plan, and we have roughly 100m requests per month plus about 70TB bandwidth, IIRC... Mind you, we have other sites that are on Pro ($20) or business ($200) plans and they are coming in at around a million requests a day (only about 2-3Gb a day) and no one complains.. could be the 5-10k we spend a month with them makes them think twice... Most of our cost is for the 24/7 tech support, regular meetings, etc. extra domains are a somewhat fixed cost (little over double a business plan domain) and that gives us extra features. 2: for Azure and BW Alliance, we were told you need to use a storage account and use "Internet Routing" not "Azure Routing" for the account. Azure routing is, IIRC, 12c per Gig. Internet routing is closer to 8c... Cant see an option for Servers, but I think Internet Routing might work for them too... 3: Any proof of this? I do know there is a limit of 256Mbyte for free account files, but not sure about what the limits on Pro or Business accounts... 4: https://cloudflare.net/news/news-details/2021/Cloudflare-Announces-Third-Quarter-2021-Financial-Results/default.aspx https://cloudflare.net/news/news-details/2021/Cloudflare-Ann... Seems they spend nearly double on Sales and Marketing than they do on R&D... and they seem to be currently loosing money, but what startup doesn't lose money for the first few years? [Edit: formatting]

SmellTheGlove 5y ago
I love cloudflare, but related to your last point can they still be called a startup? They’re a publicly traded company whose stock price is currently in freefall.
- WM9t27Ta 5y ago
  full disclosure, i am also a share holder and not exactly happy with that... fingers crossed things go better soon...
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- eli 5y ago
  Freefall is a bit unkind. It’s at the same price it was six months ago.
  - NewJazz 5y ago
    Furthermore, many other growth stocks have seen contractions based on macroeconomic policy.
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  Most growth stocks are in free fall right now, so that's not a meaningful point.
- stillicidious 5y ago
  CloudFlare's stock price changes are related to narratives from the past 2 years rapidly fading, like the retail investing world finally learning what a CDN did right at the start of COVID, and expectations of the interest rate environment shifting. AFAIK there has been no material news to justify what's happening to its stock recently, other than many large players rushing to exit extremely crowded trades they all had in common. There is currently a widespread fear that quantitative tightening could arrive very rapidly, with disastrous effects on high multiplier tech stocks and other debt-fuelled businesses. They've all been getting hammered in uniform since at least December.
- ren_engineer 5y ago
  their stock is the same price as last year and up 5X in the last 2 years, not exactly free falling
coolspot 5y ago
Offtopic, but 12c per gig of transit traffic sounds like microSD price for storage.
- simfree 5y ago
  Apparently a 256GB microSD card is $28.99, so 12 cents per gig is more expensive: https://www.techradar.com/news/this-is-the-cheapest-microsd-memory-card-per-gigabyte-in-the-world https://www.techradar.com/news/this-is-the-cheapest-microsd-... Perhaps Azure should offer to mail you the MicroSD card as well? Postage is only $0.58 for a First Class stamp, and less with a postal meter. That would still be cheaper than Azure's transit traffic.
  - franga2000 5y ago
    As the good old Tanenbaum quote goes: "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway". I work a lot with video production and mailing SD cards or driving around hard drives is still the best way to transfer data quickly and cheaply. The cloud is too expensive (both storage and egress) and P2P (Syncthing) is too slow with more than 2 contributors. Despite most of my regular team now having FTTH (except me!!), we still manually transfer media files and use P2P for the rest of the project.
- onphonenow 5y ago
  Azure's pricing for data can be weird (or used to be. Didn't they used to charge for transfers between resources in different AZ's in same region? And VNET peering I think was chargeable, so you'd have situations where within a region you'd be paying outbound AND INBOUND charges. Anyways, the little I looked, the "free" bandwidth alliance data transfer really wasn't free from what I could see but I didn't look too hard.
onphonenow 5y ago
Thank you for an actual price data point! For those following along, the aws cloud front price for 70 TB / 100m requests runs $5,400 or so. Discounts available if you will do a one year term - say 20%. Ie, they are in ballpark. I can believe cloudflare is cheaper for sure, but it’s not your an idiot for using aws level I don’t think. And aws is printing money. I once paid $3 per GB (6 figures per year) way way back so this all looks cheap to me.
- WM9t27Ta 5y ago
  Plus, Cloudflare gives us WAF, DDoS protection, full site protection, and a lot more...
WM9t27Ta 5y ago
Found the link to How To on Azure and the Bandwidth alliance: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407207972109-Reduce-data-transfer-egress-costs-between-Azure-and-Cloudflare https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/44072079721... And azure's Pricing is here: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/bandwidth/#pricing https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/bandwidth/... Its not 12c per gig, its 8.75c per gig for Microsoft Routing... (at least from Europe and NA) and 8c for Internet Routing... Not a massive saving... Mind you, if you are based in South America, you go from 18.1c per gig down to 12... For Us, mostly based in Europe, it would be a difference of around 995 per month on Azure Bandwidth costs, if all our bandwidth just came from Azure. Same for South America is 6 grand in savings...
- onphonenow 5y ago
  AWS is 0.01 or 0.02 between regions. Azure can be 0.16 between regions! AWS egress is 0.05 at scale. That is competitive with Azure egress. We keep on hearing things like AWS is 80x price, but no one will actually show the math where I can actually get 0.01 range egress. So, yes, there is a discount to be had, but there are discounts with AWS as well.

SmellTheGlove 5y ago

I love cloudflare, but related to your last point can they still be called a startup? They’re a publicly traded company whose stock price is currently in freefall.

WM9t27Ta 5y ago
full disclosure, i am also a share holder and not exactly happy with that... fingers crossed things go better soon...
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eli 5y ago
Freefall is a bit unkind. It’s at the same price it was six months ago.
- NewJazz 5y ago
  Furthermore, many other growth stocks have seen contractions based on macroeconomic policy.
ZephyrBlu 5y ago
Most growth stocks are in free fall right now, so that's not a meaningful point.
stillicidious 5y ago
CloudFlare's stock price changes are related to narratives from the past 2 years rapidly fading, like the retail investing world finally learning what a CDN did right at the start of COVID, and expectations of the interest rate environment shifting. AFAIK there has been no material news to justify what's happening to its stock recently, other than many large players rushing to exit extremely crowded trades they all had in common. There is currently a widespread fear that quantitative tightening could arrive very rapidly, with disastrous effects on high multiplier tech stocks and other debt-fuelled businesses. They've all been getting hammered in uniform since at least December.
ren_engineer 5y ago
their stock is the same price as last year and up 5X in the last 2 years, not exactly free falling

coolspot 5y ago

Offtopic, but 12c per gig of transit traffic sounds like microSD price for storage.

simfree 5y ago
Apparently a 256GB microSD card is $28.99, so 12 cents per gig is more expensive: https://www.techradar.com/news/this-is-the-cheapest-microsd-memory-card-per-gigabyte-in-the-world https://www.techradar.com/news/this-is-the-cheapest-microsd-... Perhaps Azure should offer to mail you the MicroSD card as well? Postage is only $0.58 for a First Class stamp, and less with a postal meter. That would still be cheaper than Azure's transit traffic.
- franga2000 5y ago
  As the good old Tanenbaum quote goes: "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway". I work a lot with video production and mailing SD cards or driving around hard drives is still the best way to transfer data quickly and cheaply. The cloud is too expensive (both storage and egress) and P2P (Syncthing) is too slow with more than 2 contributors. Despite most of my regular team now having FTTH (except me!!), we still manually transfer media files and use P2P for the rest of the project.
onphonenow 5y ago
Azure's pricing for data can be weird (or used to be. Didn't they used to charge for transfers between resources in different AZ's in same region? And VNET peering I think was chargeable, so you'd have situations where within a region you'd be paying outbound AND INBOUND charges. Anyways, the little I looked, the "free" bandwidth alliance data transfer really wasn't free from what I could see but I didn't look too hard.

onphonenow 5y ago

Thank you for an actual price data point! For those following along, the aws cloud front price for 70 TB / 100m requests runs $5,400 or so. Discounts available if you will do a one year term - say 20%. Ie, they are in ballpark. I can believe cloudflare is cheaper for sure, but it’s not your an idiot for using aws level I don’t think. And aws is printing money. I once paid $3 per GB (6 figures per year) way way back so this all looks cheap to me.

WM9t27Ta 5y ago
Plus, Cloudflare gives us WAF, DDoS protection, full site protection, and a lot more...

WM9t27Ta 5y ago

Found the link to How To on Azure and the Bandwidth alliance: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/4407207972109-Reduce-data-transfer-egress-costs-between-Azure-and-Cloudflare https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/44072079721... And azure's Pricing is here: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/bandwidth/#pricing https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/bandwidth/... Its not 12c per gig, its 8.75c per gig for Microsoft Routing... (at least from Europe and NA) and 8c for Internet Routing... Not a massive saving... Mind you, if you are based in South America, you go from 18.1c per gig down to 12... For Us, mostly based in Europe, it would be a difference of around 995 per month on Azure Bandwidth costs, if all our bandwidth just came from Azure. Same for South America is 6 grand in savings...

onphonenow 5y ago
AWS is 0.01 or 0.02 between regions. Azure can be 0.16 between regions! AWS egress is 0.05 at scale. That is competitive with Azure egress. We keep on hearing things like AWS is 80x price, but no one will actually show the math where I can actually get 0.01 range egress. So, yes, there is a discount to be had, but there are discounts with AWS as well.