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This magazine or blog or whatever seems to either be an elaborate joke or bait or something: >Are you guys for real? >Yes. While there is some satire invol

This magazine or blog or whatever seems to either be an elaborate joke or bait or something: >Are you guys for real? >Yes. While there is some satire involved, we believe to the very core of our >souls every word we write. >Who are you? >We are a group of functional alcoholics based primarily in Denver, CO. Included in our ranks are published novelists, filmmakers, English gentlemen, barflies, punk rock musicians, comedians, outright dastards and admitted boozeheads. >Do you mind the word alcoholic? >No. We are taking it back from the fascists. Soon it will be considered a compliment.

kayodelycaon 5y ago
I’d just take them at their word they are functional alcoholics who formed a community around being alcoholics. If you think of it as a religion, maybe it makes more sense?
- delusional 5y ago
  The "taking it back from the fascists" is just too much for me.
coldtea 5y ago
>This magazine or blog or whatever seems to either be an elaborate joke or bait or something Or you know, part of the once respected in some circles tradition of self-destruction with style, before everybody started jogging and going vegan to live to 100 years old as a "productive" boring member of society...
- fuzzfactor 5y ago
  There's always lots of other industrial solvents that are even more toxic by the gram or even relatively few milligrams. OTOH real decadence has been more sustainable forever the less toxic it is.
- felipemnoa 5y ago
  Being productive can be lots of fun. To each their own of course.
- oconnor663 5y ago
  Before we came up with jogging there was church :)
  - tenpies 5y ago
    If anything, most of organized religion is about preparing to die. The complete opposite of our current materialism and obsession with keeping personal entropy at bay.
- ruined 5y ago
  but alcohol is so pedestrian. and socially acceptable. this is somehow even more pathetic than being a weed guy. style would require an edgier, more risque substance, and a narrative. but you'll never see it. i think even tweakers know better than to spend energy justifying choices to strangers
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  - archibaldJ 5y ago
    exactly; why not look forwards to new industries in 2100s like that of designer drugs and dance-theatres exploring the discourse of higher dimensional manifolds and the holistic feeling that is existence itself It is for these that I'm giving up alchol for other things [1] [1]: https://idp.nature.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client_id=grover&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fs41398-020-01011-0 https://idp.nature.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client...
- rainonmoon 5y ago
  There's nothing stylish about being an alcoholic, but people often conflate the two because plenty of prominent, stylish people were also alcoholics. Drinking didn't make them stylish, and anyone who thinks getting lit will turn them into Keith Richards is probably a massive burden on everyone who has to put up with them.
  - Szpadel 5y ago
    Some people could consider drugs in the same way, just look how many celebrities do/did drugs. And many of them was famous to death thanks to drugs (as they died young, but this point like to be omitted)
    - coldtea 5y ago
      >as they died young, but this point like to be omitted Why "like to be omitted"? It's actually part of the allure. The slogan was "Live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse". Not "Eat kale, be productive, use a task management program, live to 100".
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- fsloth 5y ago
  There is nothing exciting about drinking. It's a substance, and the only reason people like to associate with famous and interesting people is twofold. a) it gives you an excuse to drink b) it takes the famous person down a notch. The famous people did not become famous because they drank, but due to other reasons - working their arse off, talent, ambition, networks etc. The reason they are also famous alcholics is just an correlation and not causation. I don't judge alcohol use but it's an end in itself, and it does not improve anything. It's nice to enjoy a drink once in a while, but it does not improve a person in any way.
totetsu 5y ago
maybe its the inebriati https://youtu.be/VTSCppeFzX4 https://youtu.be/VTSCppeFzX4
Spinnaker_ 5y ago
I definitely used to think that way. It's the type of thing that is a lot of fun to be a part of, until it isn't anymore. It's a thrilling way to self identify, until it becomes your entire identity. I hope they all end up ok.
- nefitty 5y ago
  I was sort of forced out of that identity by COVID lockdown and domestic imperatives. I used to be proud of how many cans I could pound in a session before I got kicked out of a bar. Now, if I or anyone else do that, it's a huge pain in the ass. I still don't trust people that have never been drunks, though. There's something about the forceful rejection of social norms involved in becoming an alcoholic that I find resonates with me. It's akin to the punk ethos. The problem definitely is when people mistake being a drunk dickhead with being punk.
  - fennecfoxen 5y ago
    > There's something about the forceful rejection of social norms involved in becoming an alcoholic that I find resonates with me. It's akin to the punk ethos. Funny. I've run into many more social norms that promote drinking while socializing, especially at universities and in tech.
    - nefitty 5y ago
      That makes sense! I never went to college and have never really been in "tech". Of my several dozen close friends, only one went to college and he definitely became markedly different than us as his studies went on.
  - rainonmoon 5y ago
    Drinking is so normative that not drinking became the punk ethos via the hardcore scene, straight edge etc. Two of the most punk guys alive (Ian MacKaye and Henry Rollins) have been sober longer than some people in this thread have been alive. Getting blackout has more in common with hair metal so if your hero is Nikki Sixx, more power to you.

kayodelycaon 5y ago

I’d just take them at their word they are functional alcoholics who formed a community around being alcoholics. If you think of it as a religion, maybe it makes more sense?

delusional 5y ago
The "taking it back from the fascists" is just too much for me.

coldtea 5y ago

>This magazine or blog or whatever seems to either be an elaborate joke or bait or something Or you know, part of the once respected in some circles tradition of self-destruction with style, before everybody started jogging and going vegan to live to 100 years old as a "productive" boring member of society...

fuzzfactor 5y ago
There's always lots of other industrial solvents that are even more toxic by the gram or even relatively few milligrams. OTOH real decadence has been more sustainable forever the less toxic it is.
felipemnoa 5y ago
Being productive can be lots of fun. To each their own of course.
oconnor663 5y ago
Before we came up with jogging there was church :)
- tenpies 5y ago
  If anything, most of organized religion is about preparing to die. The complete opposite of our current materialism and obsession with keeping personal entropy at bay.
ruined 5y ago
but alcohol is so pedestrian. and socially acceptable. this is somehow even more pathetic than being a weed guy. style would require an edgier, more risque substance, and a narrative. but you'll never see it. i think even tweakers know better than to spend energy justifying choices to strangers
- deleted 5y ago
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- archibaldJ 5y ago
  exactly; why not look forwards to new industries in 2100s like that of designer drugs and dance-theatres exploring the discourse of higher dimensional manifolds and the holistic feeling that is existence itself It is for these that I'm giving up alchol for other things [1] [1]: https://idp.nature.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client_id=grover&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fs41398-020-01011-0 https://idp.nature.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client...
rainonmoon 5y ago
There's nothing stylish about being an alcoholic, but people often conflate the two because plenty of prominent, stylish people were also alcoholics. Drinking didn't make them stylish, and anyone who thinks getting lit will turn them into Keith Richards is probably a massive burden on everyone who has to put up with them.
- Szpadel 5y ago
  Some people could consider drugs in the same way, just look how many celebrities do/did drugs. And many of them was famous to death thanks to drugs (as they died young, but this point like to be omitted)
  - coldtea 5y ago
    >as they died young, but this point like to be omitted Why "like to be omitted"? It's actually part of the allure. The slogan was "Live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse". Not "Eat kale, be productive, use a task management program, live to 100".
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fsloth 5y ago
There is nothing exciting about drinking. It's a substance, and the only reason people like to associate with famous and interesting people is twofold. a) it gives you an excuse to drink b) it takes the famous person down a notch. The famous people did not become famous because they drank, but due to other reasons - working their arse off, talent, ambition, networks etc. The reason they are also famous alcholics is just an correlation and not causation. I don't judge alcohol use but it's an end in itself, and it does not improve anything. It's nice to enjoy a drink once in a while, but it does not improve a person in any way.

totetsu 5y ago

maybe its the inebriati https://youtu.be/VTSCppeFzX4 https://youtu.be/VTSCppeFzX4

Spinnaker_ 5y ago

I definitely used to think that way. It's the type of thing that is a lot of fun to be a part of, until it isn't anymore. It's a thrilling way to self identify, until it becomes your entire identity. I hope they all end up ok.

nefitty 5y ago
I was sort of forced out of that identity by COVID lockdown and domestic imperatives. I used to be proud of how many cans I could pound in a session before I got kicked out of a bar. Now, if I or anyone else do that, it's a huge pain in the ass. I still don't trust people that have never been drunks, though. There's something about the forceful rejection of social norms involved in becoming an alcoholic that I find resonates with me. It's akin to the punk ethos. The problem definitely is when people mistake being a drunk dickhead with being punk.
- fennecfoxen 5y ago
  > There's something about the forceful rejection of social norms involved in becoming an alcoholic that I find resonates with me. It's akin to the punk ethos. Funny. I've run into many more social norms that promote drinking while socializing, especially at universities and in tech.
  - nefitty 5y ago
    That makes sense! I never went to college and have never really been in "tech". Of my several dozen close friends, only one went to college and he definitely became markedly different than us as his studies went on.
- rainonmoon 5y ago
  Drinking is so normative that not drinking became the punk ethos via the hardcore scene, straight edge etc. Two of the most punk guys alive (Ian MacKaye and Henry Rollins) have been sober longer than some people in this thread have been alive. Getting blackout has more in common with hair metal so if your hero is Nikki Sixx, more power to you.