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> ... contempt prior to investigation ... Are you implying that HN hasn't already "investigated" what you're asking? > ... you can't even brainstorm about it

> ... contempt prior to investigation ... Are you implying that HN hasn't already "investigated" what you're asking? > ... you can't even brainstorm about it here. Looks like you're implying HN hasn't already "brainstormed" / thought about what you're asking. > Hacker News is unbelievably closed minded ... Consider this instead: you asked a question that has been debated many, many times over — to the point of nearly everyone here being tired of the same old debate — and you come in now pretending to be the first one raising this topic, and when you're inevitably shunned, claiming "oh, look, you guys aren't even open to discussing it!". ---- > Clearly we need a new Hacker News for people under the age of 35. Baseless ageism and mis-attribution. I'm far below the age of 35. There's plenty of people on HN above the age of 35 that are wholeheartedly on your side. You're only doing yourself a disservice — and signalling a clear lack of good-faith — when you make remarks like this.

labrador 5y ago
You make some good points. I gave an emotional response. My emotions come from frustration. I spend a fair amount of time on Hacker News and really love the site, but I'm upset that Hacker News is overwhelming negative, focusing on current technology shortcomings. You say the topic has been debated. I say it hasn't. It's been roundly rejected. That's not debate. My post was an attempt, probably a lame one, to expand my own thinking and hopefully find one or two others who might look at it with a wide angle lens. Sadly, this didn't happen, so since posting this I've found other communities who are open to back and forth discussions about the topic. I'm an optimist. There's a story about about who is told to shovel manure out of a stable and is very happy about it. When asked why he said "with all this shit, there's got to be a pony around here!" I'm trying to find the pony. HN is the wrong place to look.
- pritambaral 5y ago
  > I gave an emotional response. Neither your topic nor this place suit emotional debates. > I'm upset that Hacker News is overwhelming negative ... Perhaps you should set your emotional upset aside and consider why, instead of blindly rejecting all of HN because of how HN's rejection makes you feel. > ... focusing on current technology shortcomings There is a lot of that here, yes, but that has not been the sole "focus" of HN commenters on this topic. I find it easy to ignore and dismiss comments that focus solely on this , and still participate in discussions involving other aspects. Perhaps you should too. > You say the topic has been debated. I say it hasn't. I have participated in the debates, rationally (i.e., without emotions). I say you haven't. > It's been roundly rejected. That's not debate. I disagree that it's been roundly rejected, but even assuming so (for the sake of this point): a debate does not require "both sides" to win some votes. Unanimous rejection after consideration is a valid result of debates. ---- > ... When asked why he said "with all this shit, there's got to be a pony around here!" Nice story. But there's only so far you can stretch a simple analogy. Trust me, in the history of technology, there's often just "shit", no pony. And as more people keep entering this world, more shit keep getting produced and thrown around. In fact, it is ridiculous how easy it is to produce large quantities of it. > ... with all this shit, there's got to be a pony around here! Could it be a donkey instead?

labrador 5y ago

You make some good points. I gave an emotional response. My emotions come from frustration. I spend a fair amount of time on Hacker News and really love the site, but I'm upset that Hacker News is overwhelming negative, focusing on current technology shortcomings. You say the topic has been debated. I say it hasn't. It's been roundly rejected. That's not debate. My post was an attempt, probably a lame one, to expand my own thinking and hopefully find one or two others who might look at it with a wide angle lens. Sadly, this didn't happen, so since posting this I've found other communities who are open to back and forth discussions about the topic. I'm an optimist. There's a story about about who is told to shovel manure out of a stable and is very happy about it. When asked why he said "with all this shit, there's got to be a pony around here!" I'm trying to find the pony. HN is the wrong place to look.

pritambaral 5y ago
> I gave an emotional response. Neither your topic nor this place suit emotional debates. > I'm upset that Hacker News is overwhelming negative ... Perhaps you should set your emotional upset aside and consider why, instead of blindly rejecting all of HN because of how HN's rejection makes you feel. > ... focusing on current technology shortcomings There is a lot of that here, yes, but that has not been the sole "focus" of HN commenters on this topic. I find it easy to ignore and dismiss comments that focus solely on this , and still participate in discussions involving other aspects. Perhaps you should too. > You say the topic has been debated. I say it hasn't. I have participated in the debates, rationally (i.e., without emotions). I say you haven't. > It's been roundly rejected. That's not debate. I disagree that it's been roundly rejected, but even assuming so (for the sake of this point): a debate does not require "both sides" to win some votes. Unanimous rejection after consideration is a valid result of debates. ---- > ... When asked why he said "with all this shit, there's got to be a pony around here!" Nice story. But there's only so far you can stretch a simple analogy. Trust me, in the history of technology, there's often just "shit", no pony. And as more people keep entering this world, more shit keep getting produced and thrown around. In fact, it is ridiculous how easy it is to produce large quantities of it. > ... with all this shit, there's got to be a pony around here! Could it be a donkey instead?