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This style of pay leads to Tenure based pay, not performance bases pay. Which some people like, and will excel in such an environment, however also can lead t
by syshum 5y ago
This style of pay leads to Tenure based pay, not performance bases pay.
Which some people like, and will excel in such an environment, however also can lead to other problems. I prefer performance based pay, vs tenure. If a engineer is turning out project after project, completing task after task why should they be paid less simply because they were hired 3 years ago, where Dave down the hall has been there 30 years but has 1/2 the output making significantly more because of tenure
- cortesoft 5y agoPerformance based pay seems great in theory, but in reality is not so simple. For one, how do you measure performance? Whatever system you come up with to measure it, you will have people trying to game the system to make themselves appear more valuable than they are.
- AussieWog93 5y agoI'm sure there are other things that factor into it, but I'd suspect that people who have worked with you for a long time (1 year+ close contact) would get a very clear idea of your competence and reliability. The hard part is expecting people close to you to be honest to management.
- cortesoft 5y agoI also don’t know how accurately we can rate our colleagues productivity… it is hard to separate out how you feel about the person on a personal level.
- brnt 5y agoBecause those categories are not so neatly separated as you think they are. Most work is done in teams, and some enable others to churn out project after project by takingn care of the maintenance, meetings, documentation, etc. It's hard to say who did more, but it's also hard to say someone in the team has more output than others. Are the wheels of the car more productive than the frame? I agree with those that say this is a discussion not worth ones time. I can always go to another team, or go at it myself, if the pay isn't what I want.
- syshum 5y ago>> It's hard to say who did more no it is not really, but to use your car analogy, should a wheel on the car that is flat, and slowing the car down be paid the same as the 2 wheels that are operating to spec? Because non-performance based pay tends to flat tires....
- dpark 5y ago> I can always go to another team, or go at it myself, if the pay isn't what I want. In industries that have tenure-based pay, you often cannot do this because you reduce your pay when you switch companies because you reset your tenure. What you’re describing is an uncommon scenario (at least in the US) where within a given industry some employers are paying for tenure and others are paying for performance. This is uncommon because pay for performance tends to win out because it attracts the best talent, at least in highly paid fields. Pay for tenure probably results in higher average pay across a role but lower pay for the top performers.
- brnt 5y agoI work in a tenure based field (academia) and years of exp are the main ingredient in your payscale.
- Cederfjard 5y agoI think generally that a competent manager without too many direct reports can have a good sense of who’s contributing more in the end, even when mixing apples and oranges like you describe.