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> and that monoclonal antibodies are orders of magnitude more expensive and more difficult to make. We’re in a global heath crisis and the average people have

> and that monoclonal antibodies are orders of magnitude more expensive and more difficult to make. We’re in a global heath crisis and the average people have been convinced that they need to be concerned about big pharma’s “bottom line” instead of doing what’s best for humanity. Millions of lives are being ruined by pandemic response measures and you’re arguing that we can’t give out life saving treatments because it’s too costly. We’re sacrificing the average person’s (already somewhat poor) quality of life to spare big corporations the cost of making a positive contribution to the world. In a world where we have political leadership that is deserving of trust these corporations would have had their freedoms trampled first instead the common person. Instead they’re posting record profits while the rest of us suffer. The hardest thing for me to swallow is millions of people are ok with this and support it! Without any personal gain they’ll preach the good word of our modern oligarchy and shame dissenters. Seemingly out of nowhere “big pharma” can do no wrong and is above reproach.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> We’re in a global heath crisis and the average people have been convinced that they need to be concerned about big pharma’s “bottom line” instead of doing what’s best for humanity. You know that pharma companies aren't literally paying for their own treatments out of their own pockets, right? The government and insurance companies are paying the pharma companies to produce these things. It would be the pharma companies' dream come true if the government paid them thousands of dollars for monoclonal antibodies for every patient instead of a < $20 vaccine. This is what I meant when I said that the conspiracy theories aren't even logically consistent. Baffling that you think the pharmaceutical companies don't want to produce the more expensive drug.
- rajin444 5y ago
  > You know that pharma companies aren't literally paying for their own treatments out of their own pockets, right? Yes that is my entire point. The average person is paying out of pocket for this pandemic and you’re saying we can’t force corporations to do the same.
mhh__ 5y ago
As of today how many people in (say) the US are actually locked down? Anyway, what if it just too costly vs. vaccinating early? Rogan says he won't take the vaccine but then takes, like any rich person would, a giant concoction of experimental treatments. That probably doesn't scale when you can have thousands of cases a day in even a relatively small area.
BearsAreCool 5y ago
I think the intention of the poster before you was to highlight that monoclonal antibodies (likely) actually make more money for big pharma than a course of vaccination. A lot of anti-vaccine rhetoric revolves around vaccines being a big pharma cash grab. For context, each dose of most of the covid vaccines is about $40 while a round of monocolonal antibody treatment is around $1,500. The vaccine has a dramatic effect in limiting the affects of covid and (as far as I a non-doctor know) stack with monoclonal antibodies if needed. Its just dramatically cheaper if people are vaccinated and not as many people need this treatment.
- dmarcos 5y ago
  Addressable market for vaccines is larger than treatments: all population vs. those get sick Also vaccines as those we have today are recurrent revenue: one shot every 6 / 12 months?
stefan_ 5y ago
What? The vaccine is free and widely available. None of this is making any sense. Do you know what it costs to treat someone on the ICU?
- rajin444 5y ago
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- smaryjerry 5y ago
  The striking part of your sentence is the exact argument against nationalized healthcare. That is, why are healthy people forced to pay higher rates so that people who don’t take care of their bodies, who are overweight, smoke, don’t exercise, don’t get vaccines, can receive the same coverage at the same price? Heart disease is the number one killer, far exceeding COVID deaths and Unless the country is willing to enact forced exercise, I don’t see why they would enact forced vaccine mandates.
  - trog 5y ago
    I don't drive on roads on the other side of the country in which I live, but my taxes still go to building them and maintaining them. This is what it means to live in a country - you pay to raise the overall quality of life for your fellow citizens, which has an uplift effect on you as well. I've lived in the US and couldn't believe how ghastly, confusing, expensive and irritating the alternative to nationalised healthcare is. Very happy to be back in Australia, and I will cheerfully continue to pay taxes for the benefit of my fellow citizens.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> We’re in a global heath crisis and the average people have been convinced that they need to be concerned about big pharma’s “bottom line” instead of doing what’s best for humanity. You know that pharma companies aren't literally paying for their own treatments out of their own pockets, right? The government and insurance companies are paying the pharma companies to produce these things. It would be the pharma companies' dream come true if the government paid them thousands of dollars for monoclonal antibodies for every patient instead of a < $20 vaccine. This is what I meant when I said that the conspiracy theories aren't even logically consistent. Baffling that you think the pharmaceutical companies don't want to produce the more expensive drug.

rajin444 5y ago
> You know that pharma companies aren't literally paying for their own treatments out of their own pockets, right? Yes that is my entire point. The average person is paying out of pocket for this pandemic and you’re saying we can’t force corporations to do the same.

mhh__ 5y ago

As of today how many people in (say) the US are actually locked down? Anyway, what if it just too costly vs. vaccinating early? Rogan says he won't take the vaccine but then takes, like any rich person would, a giant concoction of experimental treatments. That probably doesn't scale when you can have thousands of cases a day in even a relatively small area.

BearsAreCool 5y ago

I think the intention of the poster before you was to highlight that monoclonal antibodies (likely) actually make more money for big pharma than a course of vaccination. A lot of anti-vaccine rhetoric revolves around vaccines being a big pharma cash grab. For context, each dose of most of the covid vaccines is about $40 while a round of monocolonal antibody treatment is around $1,500. The vaccine has a dramatic effect in limiting the affects of covid and (as far as I a non-doctor know) stack with monoclonal antibodies if needed. Its just dramatically cheaper if people are vaccinated and not as many people need this treatment.

dmarcos 5y ago
Addressable market for vaccines is larger than treatments: all population vs. those get sick Also vaccines as those we have today are recurrent revenue: one shot every 6 / 12 months?

stefan_ 5y ago

What? The vaccine is free and widely available. None of this is making any sense. Do you know what it costs to treat someone on the ICU?

rajin444 5y ago
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smaryjerry 5y ago
The striking part of your sentence is the exact argument against nationalized healthcare. That is, why are healthy people forced to pay higher rates so that people who don’t take care of their bodies, who are overweight, smoke, don’t exercise, don’t get vaccines, can receive the same coverage at the same price? Heart disease is the number one killer, far exceeding COVID deaths and Unless the country is willing to enact forced exercise, I don’t see why they would enact forced vaccine mandates.
- trog 5y ago
  I don't drive on roads on the other side of the country in which I live, but my taxes still go to building them and maintaining them. This is what it means to live in a country - you pay to raise the overall quality of life for your fellow citizens, which has an uplift effect on you as well. I've lived in the US and couldn't believe how ghastly, confusing, expensive and irritating the alternative to nationalised healthcare is. Very happy to be back in Australia, and I will cheerfully continue to pay taxes for the benefit of my fellow citizens.