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It’s baffling that anyone thinks a quote from an unnamed “medical researcher” is a logical debunking of all of modern COVID science. The vaccine unquestionably

It’s baffling that anyone thinks a quote from an unnamed “medical researcher” is a logical debunking of all of modern COVID science. The vaccine unquestionably reduces severe infection, hospitalization, and death. It’s not even a question at this point. I suppose this is why Rogan’s anti-vaccine conspiracy drivel thrives despite not even being logically self-consistent: There’s an appetite for contrarian information, and those who enjoy this contrarianism will unquestionably absorb anything, no matter how illogical, as long as it’s contrarian.

hn8788 5y ago
It would have taken you less time to throw the first sentence into Google and find the source than it would have taken you to write your snarky comment. https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/ https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-i...
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anonymouse008 5y ago
> The vaccine unquestionably reduces severe infection, hospitalization, and death. It’s not even a question at this point. If I may, this claim alone is the rallying cry of the anti vax movement - the original reasons given for emergency use was vaccines prevented infection for 90% of patients. Anyone who took a quick look at the study knew that was bonkers… the methods obviously (and confirmed in hindsight) weren’t controlled properly and don’t support a reduced infection claim… So the narrative shifted to preventing hospitalization - so the value given by not getting Covid is gone… you will get covid it just won’t be as bad. Well now we are in the lottery effect where everyone believes they will be the one to beat the odds…
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  > the original reasons given for emergency use was vaccines prevented infection for 90% of patients. The vaccine does prevent serious infection for the majority of patients. Deaths are so much higher in unvaccinated COVID patients that it's not even a close question. The vaccine works.
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  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    preventing infection /= preventing serious infection. They have different implications. Agreed that vaccines prevent serious infection.
- lucb1e 5y ago
  Citations needed? I have questions about basically every one of those sentences.
  - anonymouse008 5y ago
    Here's one - if you're interested, you can continue to look for others... Absolute Risk Reduction = 1·3% for the AstraZeneca– Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer– BioNTech vaccines. https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0 https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0

hn8788 5y ago

It would have taken you less time to throw the first sentence into Google and find the source than it would have taken you to write your snarky comment. https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/ https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-i...

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anonymouse008 5y ago

> The vaccine unquestionably reduces severe infection, hospitalization, and death. It’s not even a question at this point. If I may, this claim alone is the rallying cry of the anti vax movement - the original reasons given for emergency use was vaccines prevented infection for 90% of patients. Anyone who took a quick look at the study knew that was bonkers… the methods obviously (and confirmed in hindsight) weren’t controlled properly and don’t support a reduced infection claim… So the narrative shifted to preventing hospitalization - so the value given by not getting Covid is gone… you will get covid it just won’t be as bad. Well now we are in the lottery effect where everyone believes they will be the one to beat the odds…

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> the original reasons given for emergency use was vaccines prevented infection for 90% of patients. The vaccine does prevent serious infection for the majority of patients. Deaths are so much higher in unvaccinated COVID patients that it's not even a close question. The vaccine works.
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- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  preventing infection /= preventing serious infection. They have different implications. Agreed that vaccines prevent serious infection.
lucb1e 5y ago
Citations needed? I have questions about basically every one of those sentences.
- anonymouse008 5y ago
  Here's one - if you're interested, you can continue to look for others... Absolute Risk Reduction = 1·3% for the AstraZeneca– Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer– BioNTech vaccines. https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0 https://doi.org/10.1016/S2666-5247(21)00069-0