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> “Though Spotify has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of misinformation on its platform, the company presently has no misinformation policy,” the group

> “Though Spotify has a responsibility to mitigate the spread of misinformation on its platform, the company presently has no misinformation policy,” the group wrote in the letter What would a Spotify misinformation policy look like? Who decides what misinformation is? In March 2020 telling people to wear masks was misinformation. A month later telling people not to wear masks was misinformation. I always prefer receiving my misinformation earlier rather than later.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> What would a Spotify misinformation policy look like? Who decides what misinformation is? Rogan's misinformation isn't even vague or subtle, it's just completely wrong. His own guests and his own podcast runner even call him out on it in real-time (when they can): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4oRlqPntY8&t=10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4oRlqPntY8&t=10s He's pushing blatant nonsense that he picked up from who knows where, and it's not even a question. Much of it can be debunked by literally just checking anything.
- newsbinator 5y ago
  I'm willing to take the downvotes on this topic, since anything related to Joe Rogan is controversial but I support the existence of shows like his. People have trouble understanding why his show is popular and what his role in it is. He's not a news anchor, a public radio host, or a broadcaster attempting to communicate information to the public. He's an approximately regular guy having long form conversations with interesting people. In conversations people are often wrong and people often say BS things and get called out for it. And Joe Rogan says BS things and gets called out for it. That's not shocking or a gotcha about his show. It's not a bug, it's a feature. People tune in because they get to sit in on interesting conversations that usually don't have a particular "I came on here to say" agenda. And when the reverse is the case, those episodes are heavily panned and usually those guests are not invited back. Enjoying this type of media means putting up with plenty of BS from any given side on any given day, and doing one's own research. If somebody isn't willing to do their own research and is instead prepared to believe anything Joe Rogan or his guests say at face value, then that's a problem for them far larger than anything they might encounter on his podcast.
- crisdux 5y ago
  Isn't the correct answer to this - it depends? Neither side can make a complete blanket statement. It depends on age and which vaccine you take. For example, the risk of myocarditis is higher for ages < 40 and those who receive the Moderna vaccine. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf Vinay Prasad talks about this extensively. Here is one of his posts. It's also more of a risk for Pfizer, depending on the sex, age and dose. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca...
  - PragmaticPulp 5y ago
    > Isn't the correct answer to this - it depends? No, it’s actually a higher risk from COVID in every age group and gender, tracked all the way down to as narrow as 2-year age group buckets. The risk of COVID myocarditis is higher everywhere. > Neither side can make a complete blanket statement. It depends on age and which vaccine you take. It varies, but COVID is worse in every bracket still. By a significant margin. These things are tracked. Unless you’re arguing for some sort of conspiratorial coverup, it’s just not true.
    - crisdux 5y ago
      What about the studies in the links I provided? I cited my sources. They clearly show for some groups the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher than covid. Another piece of evidence. We have multiple countries that have significantly altered vaccine doses for young males or have completely prohibited using specific vaccines for certain groups. They cite the increased risk of myocarditis and other heart issues. Can you please cite your sources? The main study I can think to support your position is the CDC study that used vaers data, but it's highly disputed. You can't just yell conspiracy at people. You must have evidence. Edit - This post summaries the issue well. https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-induced-myocarditis?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-indu... We are doing real harm to people. I have no doubt in the future there will be federal funded compensation and healthcare schemes for victims. Similar to how we compensate and provide medical care for victims for nuclear related atrocities. My grandpa was one of many harmed while working at a uranium processing facility, after the DOE guaranteed its safety. He basically battled cancer all over his body for decades. I tell this story as an example of government deception, lies and media narratives that led to many many deaths and injuries. We aren't any wiser today than we were back then.
- jandorn 5y ago
  Completely wrong? You mean like mainstream media often is?

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> What would a Spotify misinformation policy look like? Who decides what misinformation is? Rogan's misinformation isn't even vague or subtle, it's just completely wrong. His own guests and his own podcast runner even call him out on it in real-time (when they can): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4oRlqPntY8&t=10s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4oRlqPntY8&t=10s He's pushing blatant nonsense that he picked up from who knows where, and it's not even a question. Much of it can be debunked by literally just checking anything.

newsbinator 5y ago
I'm willing to take the downvotes on this topic, since anything related to Joe Rogan is controversial but I support the existence of shows like his. People have trouble understanding why his show is popular and what his role in it is. He's not a news anchor, a public radio host, or a broadcaster attempting to communicate information to the public. He's an approximately regular guy having long form conversations with interesting people. In conversations people are often wrong and people often say BS things and get called out for it. And Joe Rogan says BS things and gets called out for it. That's not shocking or a gotcha about his show. It's not a bug, it's a feature. People tune in because they get to sit in on interesting conversations that usually don't have a particular "I came on here to say" agenda. And when the reverse is the case, those episodes are heavily panned and usually those guests are not invited back. Enjoying this type of media means putting up with plenty of BS from any given side on any given day, and doing one's own research. If somebody isn't willing to do their own research and is instead prepared to believe anything Joe Rogan or his guests say at face value, then that's a problem for them far larger than anything they might encounter on his podcast.
crisdux 5y ago
Isn't the correct answer to this - it depends? Neither side can make a complete blanket statement. It depends on age and which vaccine you take. For example, the risk of myocarditis is higher for ages < 40 and those who receive the Moderna vaccine. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf Vinay Prasad talks about this extensively. Here is one of his posts. It's also more of a risk for Pfizer, depending on the sex, age and dose. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca...
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago
  > Isn't the correct answer to this - it depends? No, it’s actually a higher risk from COVID in every age group and gender, tracked all the way down to as narrow as 2-year age group buckets. The risk of COVID myocarditis is higher everywhere. > Neither side can make a complete blanket statement. It depends on age and which vaccine you take. It varies, but COVID is worse in every bracket still. By a significant margin. These things are tracked. Unless you’re arguing for some sort of conspiratorial coverup, it’s just not true.
  - crisdux 5y ago
    What about the studies in the links I provided? I cited my sources. They clearly show for some groups the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher than covid. Another piece of evidence. We have multiple countries that have significantly altered vaccine doses for young males or have completely prohibited using specific vaccines for certain groups. They cite the increased risk of myocarditis and other heart issues. Can you please cite your sources? The main study I can think to support your position is the CDC study that used vaers data, but it's highly disputed. You can't just yell conspiracy at people. You must have evidence. Edit - This post summaries the issue well. https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-induced-myocarditis?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=direct https://ravarora.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-vaccine-indu... We are doing real harm to people. I have no doubt in the future there will be federal funded compensation and healthcare schemes for victims. Similar to how we compensate and provide medical care for victims for nuclear related atrocities. My grandpa was one of many harmed while working at a uranium processing facility, after the DOE guaranteed its safety. He basically battled cancer all over his body for decades. I tell this story as an example of government deception, lies and media narratives that led to many many deaths and injuries. We aren't any wiser today than we were back then.
jandorn 5y ago
Completely wrong? You mean like mainstream media often is?