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Good, yes. But something being "organic" / "natural" is just a generic content-free talking point to use whenever it fits your agenda. Like you wouldn't be supp

Good, yes. But something being "organic" / "natural" is just a generic content-free talking point to use whenever it fits your agenda. Like you wouldn't be supporting this if these compounds were useful but -gasp- synthetic.

gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
They are cheap to produce. A couple of grad students working hard for 2 weeks could create enough acid to keep the entire US trippy for a year, assuming they had the blessings of the lab owner and free access to inputs. Can’t charge exorbitant fees for something trivial to produce. I’d probably respond to your tone and assumptions with a string of vulgar invective containing ‘cope’, ‘nerd’, ‘sneed’ etc but I now realize this forum is not the place.
- clusterfish 5y ago
  If by my "assumptions" you meant that you personally are the kind of person whom I would expect to lean on "natural" / "organic" talking point to push your agenda, as opposed to using that trope unknowingly (which seemed like a distinct possibility at the time), then your reaction tells me that would be the right assumption. Although I couldn't care less how much some random anon fits my assumptions, even if I had any.
  - gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
    Also by organic I meant the definition from chemistry, not the yuppie bullshit definition.
    - clusterfish 5y ago
      Don't care, it's the same bullshit as yuppies, antivaxxers, druggies, and everyone else using those empty words for their agendas. Heroin, fentanyl, opiates, amphetamines, benzos, are all chemically organic, that doesn't mean shit for how they should or shouldn't be used, neither in research nor medically nor recreationally.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      But amphetamines and benzos are organic... So that definition literally is incorrect the way you use it in your top comment
- retrac 5y ago
  > Can’t charge exorbitant fees for something trivial to produce. Read up on escitalopram and esketamine. Both are racemic separations of the original compound (with anti-depressive properties). Biochemically/medically they're basically identical to the original citalopram and ketamine. Same effect, same side effect. They're literally just the active half of the original compound. But legally a racemic separation which is medically equivalent is still juuuust different enough chemically you can patent it. It seems highly likely to me that a pharma company is going to design and patent a psilocin prodrug with nearly identical effects to mushrooms, that's patentable, and they'll charge tidily for it. (Psilocybin itself in mushrooms is just a prodrug for psilocin.) I suspect if that happens psilocin or psilocybin will never be approved for routine use.

gunfighthacksaw 5y ago

They are cheap to produce. A couple of grad students working hard for 2 weeks could create enough acid to keep the entire US trippy for a year, assuming they had the blessings of the lab owner and free access to inputs. Can’t charge exorbitant fees for something trivial to produce. I’d probably respond to your tone and assumptions with a string of vulgar invective containing ‘cope’, ‘nerd’, ‘sneed’ etc but I now realize this forum is not the place.

clusterfish 5y ago
If by my "assumptions" you meant that you personally are the kind of person whom I would expect to lean on "natural" / "organic" talking point to push your agenda, as opposed to using that trope unknowingly (which seemed like a distinct possibility at the time), then your reaction tells me that would be the right assumption. Although I couldn't care less how much some random anon fits my assumptions, even if I had any.
- gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
  Also by organic I meant the definition from chemistry, not the yuppie bullshit definition.
  - clusterfish 5y ago
    Don't care, it's the same bullshit as yuppies, antivaxxers, druggies, and everyone else using those empty words for their agendas. Heroin, fentanyl, opiates, amphetamines, benzos, are all chemically organic, that doesn't mean shit for how they should or shouldn't be used, neither in research nor medically nor recreationally.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    But amphetamines and benzos are organic... So that definition literally is incorrect the way you use it in your top comment
retrac 5y ago
> Can’t charge exorbitant fees for something trivial to produce. Read up on escitalopram and esketamine. Both are racemic separations of the original compound (with anti-depressive properties). Biochemically/medically they're basically identical to the original citalopram and ketamine. Same effect, same side effect. They're literally just the active half of the original compound. But legally a racemic separation which is medically equivalent is still juuuust different enough chemically you can patent it. It seems highly likely to me that a pharma company is going to design and patent a psilocin prodrug with nearly identical effects to mushrooms, that's patentable, and they'll charge tidily for it. (Psilocybin itself in mushrooms is just a prodrug for psilocin.) I suspect if that happens psilocin or psilocybin will never be approved for routine use.