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Hi HN, Looking forward to writing HTML together tomorrow at 2PM EST. You can join our discord to share your writing/websites [1] during the freewrite. Also we

Hi HN, Looking forward to writing HTML together tomorrow at 2PM EST. You can join our discord to share your writing/websites [1] during the freewrite. Also we just wanted to share a little more about HTML Energy. It’s still coming together but here are some of our big dreams… - Create a #web0 movement: We would love to see a new movement around web0 (coding HTML by hand, personal websites, webrings, etc). Basically anything that brings websites instead of platforms into the spotlight again. We are actually pretty inspired by all the energy that is going into web3 right now. What if that same energy and capital was going into web0? What could we create together? - Rebrand HTML [2]: Some people think that HTML is outdated or hard to use. We think it’s actually pretty straightforward and really powerful stuff. Stripping away all the paint (CSS/JS) really makes the content the focus and there's a raw sincerity to an unstyled page. Our goal is just to get people excited about learning & writing HTML and this is our attempt at making it "cool." - Getting HTML into schools: What if more people knew how to self host/publish? Would we depend on big platforms less? Would people begin making more small community websites to chat with their friends? - Create another season of our podcast [3]. Last season we talked with so many incredible people that are trying to make the web a better place. Let us know if you listened and would want another season. Hope to see you tomorrow and have a great night! <p>'s on earth! [1] https://discord.gg/SsPKzA8N?event=931711702578384947 https://discord.gg/SsPKzA8N?event=931711702578384947 [2] https://twitter.com/htmlenergy https://twitter.com/htmlenergy [3] https://html.energy/podcast.html https://html.energy/podcast.html

andrethegiant 5y ago
Is just a lil bit of JS allowed?
- cookingoils 5y ago
  Sure! We understand that JavaScript and frameworks are nice to have but it feels like everyone depends on them too much these days. It would be pretty cool if someone that has never made a website before, learned a little HTML, wrote an index.html, and published it on the www. Maybe that person never learns CSS, JS, or any framework and that's totally fine. We think that the simplicity and directness of HTML is what makes it powerful.
trevcanhuman 5y ago
Hello, very interested in this, thanks for making this event. Maybe I’ll join tomorrow. This is one of the few websites that don’t force you to use https even though it does have it! Impressive. In the spirit of keeping things open and without a user account, I’d recommend setting up some jitsi [0] conference rooms that don’t require an account. [0] https://jitsi.org/ https://jitsi.org/
- cookingoils 5y ago
  Thanks for that suggestion. We haven't used Jitsi but will look into it. Hope to see you at the freewrite.
- chrismorgan 5y ago
  > This is one of the few websites that don’t force you to use https even though it does have it! That’s bad, not good. Cleartext HTTP is a nice idea for an ideal world, but that’s not the world we are in: it’s demonstrably a vector for abuse, both passive and active. Save for a very few specific use cases (captive portal detector being the main one), it is irresponsible to support cleartext HTTP for any purpose but redirecting to HTTPS, preferably with a Strict-Transport-Security header so that that particular user agent skips straight to HTTPS forever after.
  - tasogare 5y ago
    We're speaking about static websites, there is no password to steal and MITM attacks again such content is very highly unlikely.
    - boberoni 5y ago
      It is true that this website has no password to steal, but a MITM attack could still be impactful. For example, a MITM attack could inject a <script> tag to run arbitrary client-side code. Any content that is served over HTTP has a risk of being swapped out by a MITM, which is why most browsers are nudging users to only visit HTTPS websites. With that said, implementing security is a trade-off between your time and risk tolerance.
_eht 5y ago
Any inclusion outside of discord? It’s a non-starter.
- cookingoils 5y ago
  Sure! You don't really need to join the discord (it's just extra like JavaScript). We will be writing at 2-3PM EST so you can just join us telepathically and if you feel like sharing what you created leave it in a comment here or email us a link [1]. We would love to see! [1] htmlenergy@gmail.com
echelon 5y ago
I can't make it tomorrow, but I absolutely love the concept of a day for engineers to pair with those wanting and willing to learn. That's an awesome idea! Thanks for this, and I really hope it's a success that you can build on. This is good stuff.
Ancapistani 5y ago
I’ll try to at least be around to help people on Discord - I may use that time to set up Emmet and build my muscle memory, too, as I have a front end project coming up and haven’t written any substantial HTML in years. My oldest daughter is 13 and I was planning on helping her set up a side project of her own; a simple static site for her to collect and document her knowledge of horses. I sent her the link. She was just asking about how Markdown got converted to HTML, and a solid foundation in HTML itself would be super helpful.
divbzero 5y ago
<!doctype html> <html lang=en> <meta charset=utf-8> <title>Thank You</title> <style>html { text-align: center }</style> <p> Thank you.<br> Love the idea.<br> <strong><code><p></code>’s on earth!</strong> </p>
sundarurfriend 5y ago
> 2 PM EST That seems to be 7 PM UTC. (PSA: if your event isn't geographically limited, please include the time in UTC too - a lot more people know the conversion from that than whatever your local time zone is.)

andrethegiant 5y ago

Is just a lil bit of JS allowed?

cookingoils 5y ago
Sure! We understand that JavaScript and frameworks are nice to have but it feels like everyone depends on them too much these days. It would be pretty cool if someone that has never made a website before, learned a little HTML, wrote an index.html, and published it on the www. Maybe that person never learns CSS, JS, or any framework and that's totally fine. We think that the simplicity and directness of HTML is what makes it powerful.

trevcanhuman 5y ago

Hello, very interested in this, thanks for making this event. Maybe I’ll join tomorrow. This is one of the few websites that don’t force you to use https even though it does have it! Impressive. In the spirit of keeping things open and without a user account, I’d recommend setting up some jitsi [0] conference rooms that don’t require an account. [0] https://jitsi.org/ https://jitsi.org/

cookingoils 5y ago
Thanks for that suggestion. We haven't used Jitsi but will look into it. Hope to see you at the freewrite.
chrismorgan 5y ago
> This is one of the few websites that don’t force you to use https even though it does have it! That’s bad, not good. Cleartext HTTP is a nice idea for an ideal world, but that’s not the world we are in: it’s demonstrably a vector for abuse, both passive and active. Save for a very few specific use cases (captive portal detector being the main one), it is irresponsible to support cleartext HTTP for any purpose but redirecting to HTTPS, preferably with a Strict-Transport-Security header so that that particular user agent skips straight to HTTPS forever after.
- tasogare 5y ago
  We're speaking about static websites, there is no password to steal and MITM attacks again such content is very highly unlikely.
  - boberoni 5y ago
    It is true that this website has no password to steal, but a MITM attack could still be impactful. For example, a MITM attack could inject a <script> tag to run arbitrary client-side code. Any content that is served over HTTP has a risk of being swapped out by a MITM, which is why most browsers are nudging users to only visit HTTPS websites. With that said, implementing security is a trade-off between your time and risk tolerance.

_eht 5y ago

Any inclusion outside of discord? It’s a non-starter.

cookingoils 5y ago
Sure! You don't really need to join the discord (it's just extra like JavaScript). We will be writing at 2-3PM EST so you can just join us telepathically and if you feel like sharing what you created leave it in a comment here or email us a link [1]. We would love to see! [1] htmlenergy@gmail.com

echelon 5y ago

I can't make it tomorrow, but I absolutely love the concept of a day for engineers to pair with those wanting and willing to learn. That's an awesome idea! Thanks for this, and I really hope it's a success that you can build on. This is good stuff.

Ancapistani 5y ago

I’ll try to at least be around to help people on Discord - I may use that time to set up Emmet and build my muscle memory, too, as I have a front end project coming up and haven’t written any substantial HTML in years. My oldest daughter is 13 and I was planning on helping her set up a side project of her own; a simple static site for her to collect and document her knowledge of horses. I sent her the link. She was just asking about how Markdown got converted to HTML, and a solid foundation in HTML itself would be super helpful.

divbzero 5y ago

<!doctype html> <html lang=en> <meta charset=utf-8> <title>Thank You</title> <style>html { text-align: center }</style> <p> Thank you.<br> Love the idea.<br> <strong><code><p></code>’s on earth!</strong> </p>

sundarurfriend 5y ago

> 2 PM EST That seems to be 7 PM UTC. (PSA: if your event isn't geographically limited, please include the time in UTC too - a lot more people know the conversion from that than whatever your local time zone is.)