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> Engagement around conflict works at all age ranges though. I've noticed that the best way to get people to engage in a problem is to state an opinion that is

by allenu 5y ago

> Engagement around conflict works at all age ranges though. I've noticed that the best way to get people to engage in a problem is to state an opinion that is so obviously wrong. People go out of their way to tell you that it's wrong and what their opinion is. If you post something that's sort of wrong, partially right, or probably right, people won't lift a finger. Try this with your next code review! :D Do something the wrong way and everyone wants to correct you. I've noticed after I've corrected such a problem, people are silent about the rest of the code review, or get lazy about finishing it.

dylan604 5y ago
We would use a version of this concept in client reviews, and construction inspections are known to do the same. WHen you know there are things that you would rather not have the client notice, put something so obvious that is easily corrected. The client sees that, feels great that they actually had something to say/do/etc, and then the rest slips through.
- Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
  aka the Queen’s Duck: https://bwiggs.com/notebook/queens-duck/ https://bwiggs.com/notebook/queens-duck/
_greim_ 5y ago
Being wrong is a great way to extract information from people. Simply asking is ineffective. There's less status to be gained by informing someone, than by setting the record straight, or putting someone in their place. Unfortunately, being wrong is also a great way to lose status.
matthewaveryusa 5y ago
reminds me of the classic http://bash.org/?152037 http://bash.org/?152037 <dm> I discovered that you'd never get an answer to a problem from Linux Gurus by asking. You have to troll in order for someone to help you with a Linux problem. <dm> For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me. <dm> Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my aid. They gave me examples after examples of different ways to do it. All this in order to prove to everyone that Linux was better. * ion has quit IRC (Ping timeout) <dm> brings a tear to my eye... :') so true.. <dm> So if you're starting out Linux, I advise you to use the same method as I did to get help. Start the sentence with "Linux [stinks] because it can't do XXX like Windows can". You will have PhDs running to tell you how to solve your problems. <dm> this person must be a kindred spirit of mine
PebblesRox 5y ago
Sounds like the coding version of the Ugly Red Blob Method https://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/160477089323/this-isnt-a-story-about-a-client-from-hell-but-i https://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/160477089323/this-is...

by allenu 5y ago

dylan604 5y ago

We would use a version of this concept in client reviews, and construction inspections are known to do the same. WHen you know there are things that you would rather not have the client notice, put something so obvious that is easily corrected. The client sees that, feels great that they actually had something to say/do/etc, and then the rest slips through.

Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
aka the Queen’s Duck: https://bwiggs.com/notebook/queens-duck/ https://bwiggs.com/notebook/queens-duck/

_greim_ 5y ago

Being wrong is a great way to extract information from people. Simply asking is ineffective. There's less status to be gained by informing someone, than by setting the record straight, or putting someone in their place. Unfortunately, being wrong is also a great way to lose status.

matthewaveryusa 5y ago

reminds me of the classic http://bash.org/?152037 http://bash.org/?152037 <dm> I discovered that you'd never get an answer to a problem from Linux Gurus by asking. You have to troll in order for someone to help you with a Linux problem. <dm> For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me. <dm> Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my aid. They gave me examples after examples of different ways to do it. All this in order to prove to everyone that Linux was better. * ion has quit IRC (Ping timeout) <dm> brings a tear to my eye... :') so true.. <dm> So if you're starting out Linux, I advise you to use the same method as I did to get help. Start the sentence with "Linux [stinks] because it can't do XXX like Windows can". You will have PhDs running to tell you how to solve your problems. <dm> this person must be a kindred spirit of mine

PebblesRox 5y ago

Sounds like the coding version of the Ugly Red Blob Method https://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/160477089323/this-isnt-a-story-about-a-client-from-hell-but-i https://clientsfromhell.tumblr.com/post/160477089323/this-is...