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Yes. I guess I missed the part where all of the attendees at build received a real working windows 8 tablet, running the real windows 8 preview/alpha/beta/whate

Yes. I guess I missed the part where all of the attendees at build received a real working windows 8 tablet, running the real windows 8 preview/alpha/beta/whatever-we're-calling-it-these-days bits. Somehow that isn't _real_ in the way apple would do real, and thus not REALLY real.

Game_Ender 15y ago
According to sites like Arstechnica who have got to use the build for a while it has plenty of lock ups and hard crashes. Many features you saw demoed in the keynote are also not ready for release so they are not in the preview build either. The point is, it's far being shippable, and if you can't ship it, it's not "real".
- CJCorona 15y ago
  that's not any different from when Apple released developer previews of Lion and iOS5. Are we seriously arguing over the 'finished' state of a developer build? Really?
  - ethank 15y ago
    No, what is being discussed is using a developer build of a very alpha-state software as a comparison point against something released that has tens of millions of devices in the market.
    - pyre 15y ago
      Gruber's argument started out as a criticism of Paul Thurott's comment that Windows 8 was the death knell for the iPad, but then he goes off into comparing Microsoft's and Apple's corporate release strategies... The criticism of the "Windows 8 kills iPad" comments is fair, but trying to group these tech pundits under the 'Windows' banner and use it to criticize Microsoft as a company is faulty logic at best (and purposely deceptive at worst).
sedev 15y ago
Gruber gives the example of how the iPads that were available to the press at the Apple event were indistinguishable from the iPads later sold at retail. Microsoft says up front, very clearly, that the hardware they're giving away is a "reference implemenation," which means that it's unlikely to ever show up at retail in its current form, and that the software is a "developer preview," likewise. So - no, that's not the way Apple would do it, and while it's certainly a Good Thing for developers, it's not unreasonable to argue that compared to the pre-release iPads, the developer-preview Win8 tablets and software are not 'real.' Many, many things about both the hardware and the software can be expected to change. They're still being formed, and it'd be very premature to make predictions about the final user-facing experience at this point.

Game_Ender 15y ago

According to sites like Arstechnica who have got to use the build for a while it has plenty of lock ups and hard crashes. Many features you saw demoed in the keynote are also not ready for release so they are not in the preview build either. The point is, it's far being shippable, and if you can't ship it, it's not "real".

CJCorona 15y ago
that's not any different from when Apple released developer previews of Lion and iOS5. Are we seriously arguing over the 'finished' state of a developer build? Really?
- ethank 15y ago
  No, what is being discussed is using a developer build of a very alpha-state software as a comparison point against something released that has tens of millions of devices in the market.
  - pyre 15y ago
    Gruber's argument started out as a criticism of Paul Thurott's comment that Windows 8 was the death knell for the iPad, but then he goes off into comparing Microsoft's and Apple's corporate release strategies... The criticism of the "Windows 8 kills iPad" comments is fair, but trying to group these tech pundits under the 'Windows' banner and use it to criticize Microsoft as a company is faulty logic at best (and purposely deceptive at worst).

sedev 15y ago

Gruber gives the example of how the iPads that were available to the press at the Apple event were indistinguishable from the iPads later sold at retail. Microsoft says up front, very clearly, that the hardware they're giving away is a "reference implemenation," which means that it's unlikely to ever show up at retail in its current form, and that the software is a "developer preview," likewise. So - no, that's not the way Apple would do it, and while it's certainly a Good Thing for developers, it's not unreasonable to argue that compared to the pre-release iPads, the developer-preview Win8 tablets and software are not 'real.' Many, many things about both the hardware and the software can be expected to change. They're still being formed, and it'd be very premature to make predictions about the final user-facing experience at this point.