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Do police always film their raids? I doubt it. This almost seems like a TV show. My propaganda spidey sense is going off.

smokey_circles 5y ago
Uh... bodycam footage is somehow different?
nitwit005 5y ago
In this case there may have been a concern about cops wandering off with some of the cash. Note the effort to film finding and counting the money.
ogurechny 5y ago
You are wrong about the filming (it is regularly done across the whole world, if only for the good publicity on TV screens), but your spidey sense might be correct. FYI, the Russian-language discussions are about whether the whole thing was staged, or only part of it. In other words, they could have actual contacts with protection, and share the money, or they could be observed silently, and maybe controlled through private talks with the leadership. So people try to guess whether members were prepared for the show arrest, or weren't. Mafia (legal or illegal) does not care about blockchains and exploits, mafia knows that money don't appear out of thin air. When there's a need to launder the money to have those piles of cash, the word of mouth reaches the relevant people. It's not about secret services or international cyber-mumbo-jumbo, it's first and foremost about the money.(Whoop-whoop, capitalism and free market!) Also, those kinds of relations don't go unnoticed. When there's a need to launder the money to have that expensive real estate in a Western country, the word of mouth reaches the relevant people. The dossier on hackers was not an offer, it was an ultimatum. “Either deal with them, or we are leaking the data on top government officials who benefit from hacking, and making lots of fuss and property seizures”. As they probably met with the same people whose data was supposed to be leaked, it had an effect. So there is very little “justice” going on, just the same old “the strong reigns over the weak”. How can other commenters rush to discuss cardboard games of “international politics” and to play with hand dolls of “US”, “Russia”, and “China” with such a childlike joy is a mystery to me. These things exist in media propaganda universe, they are not real.
kgeist 5y ago
In Russia, they actually do film raids/arrests. It's later used in court I think. It's pretty common, they do it with low profile criminals, too. There's a special officer with a camera filming everything. You can find plenty of such videos on Youtube.
- capableweb 5y ago
  Plenty of countries actually do this, not just Russia. In fact, I think the US is the outlier here in not documenting their raids.
  - woodruffw 5y ago
    The US, in its majesty, does record many raids but conveniently loses the footage.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      Yeah, that's why I wrote documenting, not recording. If it can't be accessed after the fact, I don't think you can consider it documentation.
Dma54rhs 5y ago
Think it's common all around Europe,it will be used as evidence.

smokey_circles 5y ago

Uh... bodycam footage is somehow different?

nitwit005 5y ago

In this case there may have been a concern about cops wandering off with some of the cash. Note the effort to film finding and counting the money.

ogurechny 5y ago

You are wrong about the filming (it is regularly done across the whole world, if only for the good publicity on TV screens), but your spidey sense might be correct. FYI, the Russian-language discussions are about whether the whole thing was staged, or only part of it. In other words, they could have actual contacts with protection, and share the money, or they could be observed silently, and maybe controlled through private talks with the leadership. So people try to guess whether members were prepared for the show arrest, or weren't. Mafia (legal or illegal) does not care about blockchains and exploits, mafia knows that money don't appear out of thin air. When there's a need to launder the money to have those piles of cash, the word of mouth reaches the relevant people. It's not about secret services or international cyber-mumbo-jumbo, it's first and foremost about the money.(Whoop-whoop, capitalism and free market!) Also, those kinds of relations don't go unnoticed. When there's a need to launder the money to have that expensive real estate in a Western country, the word of mouth reaches the relevant people. The dossier on hackers was not an offer, it was an ultimatum. “Either deal with them, or we are leaking the data on top government officials who benefit from hacking, and making lots of fuss and property seizures”. As they probably met with the same people whose data was supposed to be leaked, it had an effect. So there is very little “justice” going on, just the same old “the strong reigns over the weak”. How can other commenters rush to discuss cardboard games of “international politics” and to play with hand dolls of “US”, “Russia”, and “China” with such a childlike joy is a mystery to me. These things exist in media propaganda universe, they are not real.

kgeist 5y ago

In Russia, they actually do film raids/arrests. It's later used in court I think. It's pretty common, they do it with low profile criminals, too. There's a special officer with a camera filming everything. You can find plenty of such videos on Youtube.

capableweb 5y ago
Plenty of countries actually do this, not just Russia. In fact, I think the US is the outlier here in not documenting their raids.
- woodruffw 5y ago
  The US, in its majesty, does record many raids but conveniently loses the footage.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    Yeah, that's why I wrote documenting, not recording. If it can't be accessed after the fact, I don't think you can consider it documentation.

Dma54rhs 5y ago

Think it's common all around Europe,it will be used as evidence.