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But he was god… could she really be in the position to refuse? It’s like Monica and Bill Clinton… a poor intern with a powerful president! That is why it is usu

by freedom2099 5y ago

But he was god… could she really be in the position to refuse? It’s like Monica and Bill Clinton… a poor intern with a powerful president! That is why it is usually forbidden for a person in power to hit on an underling!

gjsman-1000 5y ago
As I said below, a cursory look at Christianity teaches the God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision. The Jewish people would have needed to wait longer for their messiah, and it might not be the year 2022 right now. Also, God is not a human, and is not subject to the human weakness that a position in power has for underlings.
- fleurjs 5y ago
  God is at fault for giving free will to humans.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Well, funnily enough, he put us in a Garden where we had everything we could possibly want and we had free will, but had no knowledge of what evil was. However, because we had free will and he didn't want little robots, he put a tree in it with fruit that would give us that knowledge if we freely choose it, but warned us of the consequences. We chose the knowledge. And we made that choice pretty quickly off the bat too, Adam and Eve hadn't even had any kids yet when they made that decision. And now, thousands of thousands of years later (in the grand scheme of things according to the Bible), a Hacker News commenter complains that God shouldn't have given us free will to make that decision and we would have been happier staying robots. Philosophically profound that is.
    - fleurjs 5y ago
      Not a complaint but a fact.
- freedom2099 5y ago
  You assume that Mary has not felt any pressure to accept such request from god? It’s not like Old Testament god is a nice guy… I would be terrorised to disappoint him! So no… Mary was in no condition to refuse!

gjsman-1000 5y ago

As I said below, a cursory look at Christianity teaches the God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision. The Jewish people would have needed to wait longer for their messiah, and it might not be the year 2022 right now. Also, God is not a human, and is not subject to the human weakness that a position in power has for underlings.

fleurjs 5y ago
God is at fault for giving free will to humans.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Well, funnily enough, he put us in a Garden where we had everything we could possibly want and we had free will, but had no knowledge of what evil was. However, because we had free will and he didn't want little robots, he put a tree in it with fruit that would give us that knowledge if we freely choose it, but warned us of the consequences. We chose the knowledge. And we made that choice pretty quickly off the bat too, Adam and Eve hadn't even had any kids yet when they made that decision. And now, thousands of thousands of years later (in the grand scheme of things according to the Bible), a Hacker News commenter complains that God shouldn't have given us free will to make that decision and we would have been happier staying robots. Philosophically profound that is.
  - fleurjs 5y ago
    Not a complaint but a fact.
freedom2099 5y ago
You assume that Mary has not felt any pressure to accept such request from god? It’s not like Old Testament god is a nice guy… I would be terrorised to disappoint him! So no… Mary was in no condition to refuse!