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Surely dropping PayPal would be way easier?

ceejayoz 5y ago
On the consumer side, I'd much rather use PayPal than put my card number into a potentially dodgy site. Protects me quite a bit, and with a easier UI. If I can't PayPal or Apple Pay, I've at times gone elsewhere.
- ranger_danger 5y ago
  My credit card provider allows me to create unlimited virtual card numbers with any expiration date I want, that way every transaction can be its own number and any fraud is extremely easy to detect and prevent.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Cool, but mine doesn't.
    - alex_sf 5y ago
      Check out https://privacy.com/ https://privacy.com/. Pretty neat and gives similar/better features.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        Tried it, but I'm giving up serious credit card points that way.
        boring_twenties 5y ago
        You could look at the Citi Double Cash card, it's 2% back on everything and they support "virtual account numbers" directly.
- datavirtue 5y ago
  You have zero risk in this situation so I'm not sure why you feel protected.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    It's not zero risk; changing my card numbers after a compromise is an annoying process given the number of places I have to do it. Not having to provide that number to the random e-commerce site I'm trying to buy something unusual from is helpful, and reduces the risk of me having to spend an afternoon making sure I switched cable, internet, Github, Patreon, Heroku, kids' school lunches, music lessons, and fifty other recurring payments over to a new card number. (I also get to skip entering card and billing details every time. Given the number of sites that see fit to use a special non-standard widget for the state field, that saves me time and annoyance on every transaction of this nature, too.)
- AlfeG 5y ago
  All banks I've using have strong 3D secure. One of the banks require biometrics approve with installed phone app. I have no issues directly use credit card on random merchant sites for years. Especially when most of them use one of the popular payment aggregators.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > All banks I've using have strong 3D secure. I've yet to see any bank in the US implement such a thing. Citi, Discover, American Express, Chase, and my local credit union all lack such a two-factor setup for charges.
  - boring_twenties 5y ago
    Biometric approve sounds pretty cool, but I'm personally not going to install some untrusted proprietary app to find out.
  - amne 5y ago
    you have it backwards. 3d secure is not protection for you. it's for the merchant. it protects them against chargebacks. the merchants decides if it enables 3d secure or not, transaction by transaction. Most of them are using an external fraud risk assessment service. Accertify is such an example.

On the consumer side, I'd much rather use PayPal than put my card number into a potentially dodgy site. Protects me quite a bit, and with a easier UI. If I can't PayPal or Apple Pay, I've at times gone elsewhere.

ranger_danger 5y ago
My credit card provider allows me to create unlimited virtual card numbers with any expiration date I want, that way every transaction can be its own number and any fraud is extremely easy to detect and prevent.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Cool, but mine doesn't.
  - alex_sf 5y ago
    Check out https://privacy.com/ https://privacy.com/. Pretty neat and gives similar/better features.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      Tried it, but I'm giving up serious credit card points that way.
      - boring_twenties 5y ago
        You could look at the Citi Double Cash card, it's 2% back on everything and they support "virtual account numbers" directly.
datavirtue 5y ago
You have zero risk in this situation so I'm not sure why you feel protected.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  It's not zero risk; changing my card numbers after a compromise is an annoying process given the number of places I have to do it. Not having to provide that number to the random e-commerce site I'm trying to buy something unusual from is helpful, and reduces the risk of me having to spend an afternoon making sure I switched cable, internet, Github, Patreon, Heroku, kids' school lunches, music lessons, and fifty other recurring payments over to a new card number. (I also get to skip entering card and billing details every time. Given the number of sites that see fit to use a special non-standard widget for the state field, that saves me time and annoyance on every transaction of this nature, too.)
AlfeG 5y ago
All banks I've using have strong 3D secure. One of the banks require biometrics approve with installed phone app. I have no issues directly use credit card on random merchant sites for years. Especially when most of them use one of the popular payment aggregators.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > All banks I've using have strong 3D secure. I've yet to see any bank in the US implement such a thing. Citi, Discover, American Express, Chase, and my local credit union all lack such a two-factor setup for charges.
- boring_twenties 5y ago
  Biometric approve sounds pretty cool, but I'm personally not going to install some untrusted proprietary app to find out.
- amne 5y ago
  you have it backwards. 3d secure is not protection for you. it's for the merchant. it protects them against chargebacks. the merchants decides if it enables 3d secure or not, transaction by transaction. Most of them are using an external fraud risk assessment service. Accertify is such an example.