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> I disagree. I think most users want app foo to behave the same on their phone and their PC, even if that means not fitting in with the native platform convent

> I disagree. I think most users want app foo to behave the same on their phone and their PC, even if that means not fitting in with the native platform conventions on one or both. I don't see how you'd disagree with that or why you think most user would want that. > Isn't it macOS that now prevents you from installing (native) applications from developers who have shut down, by requiring an up-to-date digital signature? Yes, macOS nowadays is awful on that front - even the linked article is exactly about that. > And in practice that's the most useful thing for person-to-person collaboration. Right but that is a different type of collaboration and doesn't need a web app for it. I do not remember the name, but i remember a P2P text editor from a decade before Google introduced Google Docs - and i'm sure Emacs has a mode for that too (actually i just checked and there are more than one modes for that).

lmm 5y ago
> I don't see how you'd disagree with that or why you think most user would want that. IME most regular users are application-oriented rather than operating-system-oriented; they're not "using iOS", they're "using WhatsApp" (or whatever). Frankly I think they're right; the operating system is meant to be the platform that supports the applications, not something that puts the attention on itself. > Right but that is a different type of collaboration and doesn't need a web app for it. I do not remember the name, but i remember a P2P text editor from a decade before Google introduced Google Docs - and i'm sure Emacs has a mode for that too (actually i just checked and there are more than one modes for that). It's possible with enough effort, sure, but you'd have to manually reimplement a lot of what the web gives you by default. In practice with limited development time, this kind of collaboration is much more commonly available in web apps than in native apps.

lmm 5y ago

> I don't see how you'd disagree with that or why you think most user would want that. IME most regular users are application-oriented rather than operating-system-oriented; they're not "using iOS", they're "using WhatsApp" (or whatever). Frankly I think they're right; the operating system is meant to be the platform that supports the applications, not something that puts the attention on itself. > Right but that is a different type of collaboration and doesn't need a web app for it. I do not remember the name, but i remember a P2P text editor from a decade before Google introduced Google Docs - and i'm sure Emacs has a mode for that too (actually i just checked and there are more than one modes for that). It's possible with enough effort, sure, but you'd have to manually reimplement a lot of what the web gives you by default. In practice with limited development time, this kind of collaboration is much more commonly available in web apps than in native apps.