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That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. FWIW, a significant

That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. FWIW, a significant part of the "inconvenience" as a parent of two very young kids comes from my refusal to accept that putting kids in front of screens for extended and frequent sessions is an acceptable compromise when balancing the pressures of life under Covid restrictions. Apparently, most people have decided this is ok, along with other horrors like enforcing isolation requirements on young children.

SantalBlush 5y ago
>That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Placing all of this at the feet of "The Modelling", and none of it at the feet of the virus itself from what I've read so far, is so ridiculous that it doesn't even warrant a discussion, sorry.
- ya_throw 5y ago
  I don't know about things where you live, but where I am (UK, and more specifically Wales, where we have taken restrictions to an absurd degree), most major Covid restrictions have been justified as a necessary response to modelled data. The OP, and indeed the article linked, is on the topic of modelling and statistics, so that is the subject of discussion.
gwd 5y ago
> That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Come now. Black Death? The Depression? Two World Wars? And your main complaint is that your kids are having too much screen time? I mean, don't get me wrong: in-person interaction is critical, and having it replaced by screen time is certainly detrimental. But not nearly as detrimental as having to sleep in bomb shelters every night, or killing 50% of the population.
- ya_throw 5y ago
  You've made my point - the overall outcome post-Covid is comparable to a handful of other singular events in our history. I strongly believe that the ramifications of what we have done will take years to play out, but I accept that is just my opinion. My kids are not having too much screen time. My complaint is that Covid restrictions have made the already-tough job of being an accountable, responsible parent almost impossible. Screen time is just the tip of the iceberg. You talk about sleeping in bomb shelters - how many kids have been told they now carry a disease that could kill if they get too close to someone, and what will that do to their mental and social development? How many parents now believe this justifies what would previously be called child abuse? Many of the ones I know, that's for sure. At one time, it was considered brave to hug a HIV-positive person (and when the risks were unknown). Now, we selfishly impose social restrictions on those closest to us, to reduce an already-tiny level of personal risk.
  - gwd 5y ago
    In my editing I deleted the phrases "doesn't even register in comparison" and "I could go on". "Western Civilization" is littered with plagues and pandemics, wars, revolutions, and economic shocks which had far larger impact on people than COVID has. You're comparing having buildings in your town blown up, your friends and relatives and parents killed, your father sent across the ocean to be shot at, to be told to social distance. Your comment reeks of entitlement and privilege.
    - ya_throw 5y ago
      >You're comparing having buildings in your town blown up.... to be told to social distance I very specifically didn't. I compared the overall societal outcome, to those other singular events. >Your comment reeks of entitlement and privilege. Yours reeks of poor reading comprehension and sweeping assumptions, as well as an inability to comprehend the scale of the different experiences different people have had under Covid restrictions. In my previous comment, you'll note that most of my concerns are for others, and for the society I live in as a whole. I don't know why I bother, as once again I am branded "selfish", "entitled", etc etc. In fact, due in part to the choices I and my close family have made over the past two years, it looks like we are going to do just fine. I absolutely cannot say the same for some of those I know. A close friend who recently had their first child has essentially had a mental health breakdown (I suspect, due to a mix of pre-existing inclinations, and the stress of being a first time parent under Covid restrictions), and due to the state they are now in, are refusing any external help at all. The sheer number of stories like this will become more widely known in due course, and defending lockdown-style policies will become less and less palatable.

SantalBlush 5y ago

>That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Placing all of this at the feet of "The Modelling", and none of it at the feet of the virus itself from what I've read so far, is so ridiculous that it doesn't even warrant a discussion, sorry.

ya_throw 5y ago
I don't know about things where you live, but where I am (UK, and more specifically Wales, where we have taken restrictions to an absurd degree), most major Covid restrictions have been justified as a necessary response to modelled data. The OP, and indeed the article linked, is on the topic of modelling and statistics, so that is the subject of discussion.

gwd 5y ago

> That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Come now. Black Death? The Depression? Two World Wars? And your main complaint is that your kids are having too much screen time? I mean, don't get me wrong: in-person interaction is critical, and having it replaced by screen time is certainly detrimental. But not nearly as detrimental as having to sleep in bomb shelters every night, or killing 50% of the population.

ya_throw 5y ago
You've made my point - the overall outcome post-Covid is comparable to a handful of other singular events in our history. I strongly believe that the ramifications of what we have done will take years to play out, but I accept that is just my opinion. My kids are not having too much screen time. My complaint is that Covid restrictions have made the already-tough job of being an accountable, responsible parent almost impossible. Screen time is just the tip of the iceberg. You talk about sleeping in bomb shelters - how many kids have been told they now carry a disease that could kill if they get too close to someone, and what will that do to their mental and social development? How many parents now believe this justifies what would previously be called child abuse? Many of the ones I know, that's for sure. At one time, it was considered brave to hug a HIV-positive person (and when the risks were unknown). Now, we selfishly impose social restrictions on those closest to us, to reduce an already-tiny level of personal risk.
- gwd 5y ago
  In my editing I deleted the phrases "doesn't even register in comparison" and "I could go on". "Western Civilization" is littered with plagues and pandemics, wars, revolutions, and economic shocks which had far larger impact on people than COVID has. You're comparing having buildings in your town blown up, your friends and relatives and parents killed, your father sent across the ocean to be shot at, to be told to social distance. Your comment reeks of entitlement and privilege.
  - ya_throw 5y ago
    >You're comparing having buildings in your town blown up.... to be told to social distance I very specifically didn't. I compared the overall societal outcome, to those other singular events. >Your comment reeks of entitlement and privilege. Yours reeks of poor reading comprehension and sweeping assumptions, as well as an inability to comprehend the scale of the different experiences different people have had under Covid restrictions. In my previous comment, you'll note that most of my concerns are for others, and for the society I live in as a whole. I don't know why I bother, as once again I am branded "selfish", "entitled", etc etc. In fact, due in part to the choices I and my close family have made over the past two years, it looks like we are going to do just fine. I absolutely cannot say the same for some of those I know. A close friend who recently had their first child has essentially had a mental health breakdown (I suspect, due to a mix of pre-existing inclinations, and the stress of being a first time parent under Covid restrictions), and due to the state they are now in, are refusing any external help at all. The sheer number of stories like this will become more widely known in due course, and defending lockdown-style policies will become less and less palatable.