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>hiding behind a curtain of statistics. If there's one thing that Covid has taught us, it's that The Modelling is a vengeful God who must be appeased with many

>hiding behind a curtain of statistics. If there's one thing that Covid has taught us, it's that The Modelling is a vengeful God who must be appeased with many sacrifices.

SantalBlush 5y ago
This is a histrionic way of saying you've been inconvenienced.
- ya_throw 5y ago
  That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. FWIW, a significant part of the "inconvenience" as a parent of two very young kids comes from my refusal to accept that putting kids in front of screens for extended and frequent sessions is an acceptable compromise when balancing the pressures of life under Covid restrictions. Apparently, most people have decided this is ok, along with other horrors like enforcing isolation requirements on young children.
  - SantalBlush 5y ago
    >That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Placing all of this at the feet of "The Modelling", and none of it at the feet of the virus itself from what I've read so far, is so ridiculous that it doesn't even warrant a discussion, sorry.
    - ya_throw 5y ago
      I don't know about things where you live, but where I am (UK, and more specifically Wales, where we have taken restrictions to an absurd degree), most major Covid restrictions have been justified as a necessary response to modelled data. The OP, and indeed the article linked, is on the topic of modelling and statistics, so that is the subject of discussion.
  - gwd 5y ago
    > That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Come now. Black Death? The Depression? Two World Wars? And your main complaint is that your kids are having too much screen time? I mean, don't get me wrong: in-person interaction is critical, and having it replaced by screen time is certainly detrimental. But not nearly as detrimental as having to sleep in bomb shelters every night, or killing 50% of the population.
    - ya_throw 5y ago
      You've made my point - the overall outcome post-Covid is comparable to a handful of other singular events in our history. I strongly believe that the ramifications of what we have done will take years to play out, but I accept that is just my opinion. My kids are not having too much screen time. My complaint is that Covid restrictions have made the already-tough job of being an accountable, responsible parent almost impossible. Screen time is just the tip of the iceberg. You talk about sleeping in bomb shelters - how many kids have been told they now carry a disease that could kill if they get too close to someone, and what will that do to their mental and social development? How many parents now believe this justifies what would previously be called child abuse? Many of the ones I know, that's for sure. At one time, it was considered brave to hug a HIV-positive person (and when the risks were unknown). Now, we selfishly impose social restrictions on those closest to us, to reduce an already-tiny level of personal risk.
      - gwd 5y ago
        In my editing I deleted the phrases "doesn't even register in comparison" and "I could go on". "Western Civilization" is littered with plagues and pandemics, wars, revolutions, and economic shocks which had far larger impact on people than COVID has. You're comparing having buildings in your town blown up, your friends and relatives and parents killed, your father sent across the ocean to be shot at, to be told to social distance. Your comment reeks of entitlement and privilege.
        ya_throw 5y ago

>hiding behind a curtain of statistics. If there's one thing that Covid has taught us, it's that The Modelling is a vengeful God who must be appeased with many sacrifices.

SantalBlush 5y ago

This is a histrionic way of saying you've been inconvenienced.

ya_throw 5y ago
That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. FWIW, a significant part of the "inconvenience" as a parent of two very young kids comes from my refusal to accept that putting kids in front of screens for extended and frequent sessions is an acceptable compromise when balancing the pressures of life under Covid restrictions. Apparently, most people have decided this is ok, along with other horrors like enforcing isolation requirements on young children.
- SantalBlush 5y ago
  >That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Placing all of this at the feet of "The Modelling", and none of it at the feet of the virus itself from what I've read so far, is so ridiculous that it doesn't even warrant a discussion, sorry.
  - ya_throw 5y ago
    I don't know about things where you live, but where I am (UK, and more specifically Wales, where we have taken restrictions to an absurd degree), most major Covid restrictions have been justified as a necessary response to modelled data. The OP, and indeed the article linked, is on the topic of modelling and statistics, so that is the subject of discussion.
- gwd 5y ago
  > That is a very understated way to describe one of the single biggest upheavals in life and culture in the history of Western civilisation. Come now. Black Death? The Depression? Two World Wars? And your main complaint is that your kids are having too much screen time? I mean, don't get me wrong: in-person interaction is critical, and having it replaced by screen time is certainly detrimental. But not nearly as detrimental as having to sleep in bomb shelters every night, or killing 50% of the population.
  - ya_throw 5y ago
    You've made my point - the overall outcome post-Covid is comparable to a handful of other singular events in our history. I strongly believe that the ramifications of what we have done will take years to play out, but I accept that is just my opinion. My kids are not having too much screen time. My complaint is that Covid restrictions have made the already-tough job of being an accountable, responsible parent almost impossible. Screen time is just the tip of the iceberg. You talk about sleeping in bomb shelters - how many kids have been told they now carry a disease that could kill if they get too close to someone, and what will that do to their mental and social development? How many parents now believe this justifies what would previously be called child abuse? Many of the ones I know, that's for sure. At one time, it was considered brave to hug a HIV-positive person (and when the risks were unknown). Now, we selfishly impose social restrictions on those closest to us, to reduce an already-tiny level of personal risk.
    - gwd 5y ago
      In my editing I deleted the phrases "doesn't even register in comparison" and "I could go on". "Western Civilization" is littered with plagues and pandemics, wars, revolutions, and economic shocks which had far larger impact on people than COVID has. You're comparing having buildings in your town blown up, your friends and relatives and parents killed, your father sent across the ocean to be shot at, to be told to social distance. Your comment reeks of entitlement and privilege.
      - ya_throw 5y ago