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He is a male under 40, isn't he? He already had covid.

by ls15 5y ago

alkonaut 5y ago
So he took the risk of myocarditis from Covid-19, over the risk of myocarditis from vaccine once already. That was a poor choice. He still faces the same risk in the future. He still has the same choice. It doesn't change because you are a healthy young person. The risk of this complication is higher from the disease than the vaccine in every group, (the male under 40 doesn't really make a big difference - there you have about a breakeven risk)
- ls15 5y ago
  > He still faces the same risk in the future. He surely has some immunity now, no?
  - alkonaut 5y ago
    Yes but that immunity wanes regardless of whether it's natural or from vaccine.
    - ls15 5y ago
      And so does the severity of the disease, look at omicron. The benefits of the vaccine over a natural infection get weaker by the day, especially because vaccine efficacy is not great anymore. Particularly too weak for justifying mandates, in my opinion.
_gohp 5y ago
I am a fierce anti conspiracy person, but this covid situation is having me thinking. They say natural resistance is better or equal than from the vaccine, everyone apart from anti vaxxers like Djokovic has had a shot or two or three, there's no herd immunity or herd protection Can someone explain the math to me? Also people said the regular flu does not exist anymore, give or take, because everyone is wearing masks. Nothing could be further from the truth, full family had flu twice now, me three times(never had that before in my.life, once a year max was normal) and I see the regular flu wave still existing. I haven't had covid that I know of, did tests and am vaccinated.
- alkonaut 5y ago
  > They say natural resistance is better or equal than from the vaccine Who are "they" and what exactly are "they" saying? I think there is a consensus that even if you had the disease, it's wise choice to get vaccinated. Protection from vaccination and recovery is better than protection from only one of them, as far as I understand it. > Can someone explain the math to me? What math? > Also people said the regular flu does not exist anymore Seasonal flu will of course continue to be a thing. But restrictions obviously meant that last years flu season was kept low in many places around the world. This however means that there could be a worse wave coming this year (and it has happened too in many places - we are in the flu season in the wintery part of the world now). In places with good mask adherence, no big public events and so on, obviously ALL respiratory diseases will have a harder time spreading. But these restrictions are - hopefully - temporary, The flu will be fine.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    Can't speak for the whole world, but in Canada my experience is that they're not testing for the flu anymore. Only COVID. In years past if you went to the doctor during flu season they'd do a throat swab for flu. Now it's only for COVID. I know lots of people who were sick but only tested for COVID. One of my friends was out of work for a month with a bacterial infection they missed for 2+ weeks because they only tested for COVID....
    - alkonaut 5y ago
      I never heard about testing for flu in the past either, except when admitted to hospital with severe disease. There is "monitoring" i.e. some random statistical testing only as far as I know.

He is a male under 40, isn't he? He already had covid.

by ls15 5y ago

He is a male under 40, isn't he? He already had covid.

So he took the risk of myocarditis from Covid-19, over the risk of myocarditis from vaccine once already. That was a poor choice. He still faces the same risk in the future. He still has the same choice. It doesn't change because you are a healthy young person. The risk of this complication is higher from the disease than the vaccine in every group, (the male under 40 doesn't really make a big difference - there you have about a breakeven risk)

ls15 5y ago
> He still faces the same risk in the future. He surely has some immunity now, no?
- alkonaut 5y ago
  Yes but that immunity wanes regardless of whether it's natural or from vaccine.
  - ls15 5y ago
    And so does the severity of the disease, look at omicron. The benefits of the vaccine over a natural infection get weaker by the day, especially because vaccine efficacy is not great anymore. Particularly too weak for justifying mandates, in my opinion.

_gohp 5y ago

I am a fierce anti conspiracy person, but this covid situation is having me thinking. They say natural resistance is better or equal than from the vaccine, everyone apart from anti vaxxers like Djokovic has had a shot or two or three, there's no herd immunity or herd protection Can someone explain the math to me? Also people said the regular flu does not exist anymore, give or take, because everyone is wearing masks. Nothing could be further from the truth, full family had flu twice now, me three times(never had that before in my.life, once a year max was normal) and I see the regular flu wave still existing. I haven't had covid that I know of, did tests and am vaccinated.

alkonaut 5y ago
> They say natural resistance is better or equal than from the vaccine Who are "they" and what exactly are "they" saying? I think there is a consensus that even if you had the disease, it's wise choice to get vaccinated. Protection from vaccination and recovery is better than protection from only one of them, as far as I understand it. > Can someone explain the math to me? What math? > Also people said the regular flu does not exist anymore Seasonal flu will of course continue to be a thing. But restrictions obviously meant that last years flu season was kept low in many places around the world. This however means that there could be a worse wave coming this year (and it has happened too in many places - we are in the flu season in the wintery part of the world now). In places with good mask adherence, no big public events and so on, obviously ALL respiratory diseases will have a harder time spreading. But these restrictions are - hopefully - temporary, The flu will be fine.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Can't speak for the whole world, but in Canada my experience is that they're not testing for the flu anymore. Only COVID. In years past if you went to the doctor during flu season they'd do a throat swab for flu. Now it's only for COVID. I know lots of people who were sick but only tested for COVID. One of my friends was out of work for a month with a bacterial infection they missed for 2+ weeks because they only tested for COVID....
  - alkonaut 5y ago
    I never heard about testing for flu in the past either, except when admitted to hospital with severe disease. There is "monitoring" i.e. some random statistical testing only as far as I know.