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> He could have just gotten vaccinated. He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccin

by ls15 5y ago

> He could have just gotten vaccinated. He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is that mandate justified?

fabian2k 5y ago
The risk of getting a myocarditis from COVID itself is higher for him, if we compare the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine. Only for Moderna for people below 40 the risk was higher for myocarditis, and even that comparison doesn't include all the other risks from a COVID infection.
- ls15 5y ago
  Is he not a male under 40?
  - fabian2k 5y ago
    He can take Biontech/Pfizer and not Moderna (which is also the recommendation in some countries for younger people)
    - ls15 5y ago
      Just for correctness: the myocarditis risk for Pfizer second and third dose exceeds the myocarditis risk from covid for this group as well.
    - ls15 5y ago
      That still has an elevated risk. And he already had covid. What is the justification for asking him to take the risk again?
      - DonHopkins 5y ago
        He also runs the risk of being stabbed on the court during a match by a deranged fan of his opponent like Monica Seles was, or taking an errant serve directly in the groin then getting knocked backwards and striking his head on the hardcourt surface like Dick Wertheim did. So what? Tennis is a dangerous sport. Get used to it. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tennis-star-monica-seles-stabbed https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tennis-star-moni... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Wertheim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Wertheim
        ls15 5y ago
        What would you think about mandatory tennis then?
        rblatz 5y ago
        For players competing in the Australian Open? I’m for it.
        DonHopkins 5y ago
        Squid Game Tennis!
Broken_Hippo 5y ago
The vaccine risk is mostly for Moderna, and I'm not sure it is higher than getting it from covid. Moderna is not the only vaccine out there. There are slews of other effects of Covid that would definitely end his career. I have little patience for folks that refuse to get vaccinated. You are more likely to catch and therefore spread covid (possibly killing others) and much more likely to add to the stress on the healthcare system when you get covid. If you do decide not to vaccinate after knowing this and understanding that the risks from a vaccine are less than the risks from the virus, I fully expect you to stay home and minimize your effect on others. This is partially so that folks that cannot be vaccinated don't have to suffer because you won't do your part. Of course, staying home - the responsible thing to do if you aren't going to get vaccinated - would end his career anyway. On the other hand, he is probably monied enough for it to not have dire consequences. Unfortunately, many of the folks he inspires are not in that position.
- ls15 5y ago
  > There are slews of other effects of Covid that would definitely end his career. He already had covid that did not end his career. > I have little patience for folks that refuse to get vaccinated. You are more likely to catch and therefore spread covid (possibly killing others) and much more likely to add to the stress on the healthcare system when you get covid. If you do decide not to vaccinate after knowing this and understanding that the risks from a vaccine are less than the risks from the virus, I fully expect you to stay home and minimize your effect on others. This is partially so that folks that cannot be vaccinated don't have to suffer because you won't do your part. When the vaccine efficacy against transmission is as low as it is, this makes little sense to me. Covid vaccines seem mostly good for protecting yourself individually from severe disease and death. For everything else they don't seem to do much. Not enough to mandate them and for guilt-tripping the hesitant. Folks that cannot be vaccinated will catch omicron regardless of the vaccination status of the rest of the population.

by ls15 5y ago

fabian2k 5y ago

The risk of getting a myocarditis from COVID itself is higher for him, if we compare the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine. Only for Moderna for people below 40 the risk was higher for myocarditis, and even that comparison doesn't include all the other risks from a COVID infection.

ls15 5y ago
Is he not a male under 40?
- fabian2k 5y ago
  He can take Biontech/Pfizer and not Moderna (which is also the recommendation in some countries for younger people)
  - ls15 5y ago
    Just for correctness: the myocarditis risk for Pfizer second and third dose exceeds the myocarditis risk from covid for this group as well.
  - ls15 5y ago
    That still has an elevated risk. And he already had covid. What is the justification for asking him to take the risk again?
    - DonHopkins 5y ago
      He also runs the risk of being stabbed on the court during a match by a deranged fan of his opponent like Monica Seles was, or taking an errant serve directly in the groin then getting knocked backwards and striking his head on the hardcourt surface like Dick Wertheim did. So what? Tennis is a dangerous sport. Get used to it. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tennis-star-monica-seles-stabbed https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/tennis-star-moni... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Wertheim https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Wertheim
      - ls15 5y ago
        What would you think about mandatory tennis then?
        rblatz 5y ago
        For players competing in the Australian Open? I’m for it.
        DonHopkins 5y ago
        Squid Game Tennis!

Broken_Hippo 5y ago

The vaccine risk is mostly for Moderna, and I'm not sure it is higher than getting it from covid. Moderna is not the only vaccine out there. There are slews of other effects of Covid that would definitely end his career. I have little patience for folks that refuse to get vaccinated. You are more likely to catch and therefore spread covid (possibly killing others) and much more likely to add to the stress on the healthcare system when you get covid. If you do decide not to vaccinate after knowing this and understanding that the risks from a vaccine are less than the risks from the virus, I fully expect you to stay home and minimize your effect on others. This is partially so that folks that cannot be vaccinated don't have to suffer because you won't do your part. Of course, staying home - the responsible thing to do if you aren't going to get vaccinated - would end his career anyway. On the other hand, he is probably monied enough for it to not have dire consequences. Unfortunately, many of the folks he inspires are not in that position.

ls15 5y ago
> There are slews of other effects of Covid that would definitely end his career. He already had covid that did not end his career. > I have little patience for folks that refuse to get vaccinated. You are more likely to catch and therefore spread covid (possibly killing others) and much more likely to add to the stress on the healthcare system when you get covid. If you do decide not to vaccinate after knowing this and understanding that the risks from a vaccine are less than the risks from the virus, I fully expect you to stay home and minimize your effect on others. This is partially so that folks that cannot be vaccinated don't have to suffer because you won't do your part. When the vaccine efficacy against transmission is as low as it is, this makes little sense to me. Covid vaccines seem mostly good for protecting yourself individually from severe disease and death. For everything else they don't seem to do much. Not enough to mandate them and for guilt-tripping the hesitant. Folks that cannot be vaccinated will catch omicron regardless of the vaccination status of the rest of the population.