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Is in the public interest of Australian people for natural immunity to be recognized and this spectacle be over In comparison they are allowed to have cricket

Is in the public interest of Australian people for natural immunity to be recognized and this spectacle be over In comparison they are allowed to have cricket matches with hundreds of thousands of spectators packing

bjowen 5y ago
Those people are required to and have taken vaccine in order to attend. 95% of Australians have at this point. There are check-ins and density limits and other mandates to limit the spread, and it is still spreading at a rate faster than testing can keep up. Post infection immunity does not of itself prevent taking vaccine, and having both is the most protective, though their individual effectiveness is comparable [0]. Acknowledging post-infection immunity in place of vaccine-mediated immunity doesn’t make sense as a policy for the country: it doesn’t materially affect many people, it decrease the number of susceptible people at all, and the vaccines are free to all and easily available to most. In the case of the tennis player, if the recent tests are correctly recorded, and there is significant reason to doubt that they are[1], this is the second time he has been infected with COVID [2]. None of this is to say that the Australian federal government hasn’t embarrassed itself at every opportunity with this fiasco. The visa was issued apparently in contradiction to its own rules, the player was allowed to travel anyway and treated badly, overnight staff at the airport had to decide to overrule a departmental error and trigger this circus, breaching procedural fairness in the process - and then instead of making a prompt decision, the minister waited until the Friday night TV news had started to announce the decision to cancel, in what appears to be an effort to manage the message. Atrocious. Inept. Governing by press release to distract from their failings. 0: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8475821/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8475821/ 1: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-were-the-results-of-his-positive-pcr-test-manipulated-a-cf3e7344-e98f-4fc3-8bb3-7727d4795e97 https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-we... 2: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/novak-djokovic-charity-tennis-tournament-became-coronavirus-mess/12387086 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/novak-djokovic-charit...
Mikeb85 5y ago
Yup. EU recognizes past infections, not sure why places like Canada and Australia refuse to. It's pretty clear it's not about science at this point. For example, in Canada some provinces have created exemptions for people who have COVID to be able to work, while firing those who are unvaccinated... Science has been completely tossed by the wayside because of politics and our vengeful population.
- tim333 5y ago
  The EU only recognises past infections for a limited time. I think it varies by country but in the range six to nine months.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    So same as 2 shots...

bjowen 5y ago

Those people are required to and have taken vaccine in order to attend. 95% of Australians have at this point. There are check-ins and density limits and other mandates to limit the spread, and it is still spreading at a rate faster than testing can keep up. Post infection immunity does not of itself prevent taking vaccine, and having both is the most protective, though their individual effectiveness is comparable [0]. Acknowledging post-infection immunity in place of vaccine-mediated immunity doesn’t make sense as a policy for the country: it doesn’t materially affect many people, it decrease the number of susceptible people at all, and the vaccines are free to all and easily available to most. In the case of the tennis player, if the recent tests are correctly recorded, and there is significant reason to doubt that they are[1], this is the second time he has been infected with COVID [2]. None of this is to say that the Australian federal government hasn’t embarrassed itself at every opportunity with this fiasco. The visa was issued apparently in contradiction to its own rules, the player was allowed to travel anyway and treated badly, overnight staff at the airport had to decide to overrule a departmental error and trigger this circus, breaching procedural fairness in the process - and then instead of making a prompt decision, the minister waited until the Friday night TV news had started to announce the decision to cancel, in what appears to be an effort to manage the message. Atrocious. Inept. Governing by press release to distract from their failings. 0: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8475821/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8475821/ 1: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-were-the-results-of-his-positive-pcr-test-manipulated-a-cf3e7344-e98f-4fc3-8bb3-7727d4795e97 https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/novak-djokovic-we... 2: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/novak-djokovic-charity-tennis-tournament-became-coronavirus-mess/12387086 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/novak-djokovic-charit...

Mikeb85 5y ago

Yup. EU recognizes past infections, not sure why places like Canada and Australia refuse to. It's pretty clear it's not about science at this point. For example, in Canada some provinces have created exemptions for people who have COVID to be able to work, while firing those who are unvaccinated... Science has been completely tossed by the wayside because of politics and our vengeful population.

tim333 5y ago
The EU only recognises past infections for a limited time. I think it varies by country but in the range six to nine months.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  So same as 2 shots...