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You are confusing high profile art theft in Europe with low profile UPS theft in the US. The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest

by Z0rr0 5y ago

You are confusing high profile art theft in Europe with low profile UPS theft in the US. The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens. If those citizens lived in the EU, they would have free healthcare, free education, unemployment subsidies and housing. And so they would not be forced to steal our packages.

snowgrove 5y ago
>The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens. That isn’t clear to me at all. In Washington DC, for example, much of the recent increase in theft (grand theft auto especially) has been committed by unsupervised juveniles. AFAICT they do it because they’re bored, it’s easy, it’s exciting, and they generally escape punishment. Who’s to say it’s not a similar situation with these train robberies?
- vanilla_nut 5y ago
  In Denver, we experienced a huge increase in bike theft because a massive crime ring was exporting them to Mexico and then reselling them for thousands. Sometimes crime isn’t desperation or opportunistic (though Denver still has plenty of opportunistic thefts), it can be organized too!
Kiro 5y ago
It's not that simple. Look at Sweden. We have all those things and delivery companies have stopped delivering to certain areas due to their trucks being robbed. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/malmobon-sylvias-adress-ar-for-farlig-att-leverera-paket-till https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/malmobon-sylvias-adr... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/postnord-stoppar-paketutdelning-i-gottsunda-valsatra https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/postnord-stoppar-p...
- nivenkos 5y ago
  PostNord ever delivers things normally? /s
  - Kiro 5y ago
    Actually relevant comment but before people say "oh, so it's just this scummy company overblowing things" - PostNord is the de facto postal service in Sweden and owned by the Swedish state. However, they are also notoriously bad so the joke is spot on.
sgjohnson 5y ago
Nobody is "forced" to steal packages. "The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens." I don't think that's true. I think they are being robbed because it's easy to do so, with a low risk for any consequences. Similarly as to why shoplifting in LA is up. Start shooting at the thieves and see how fast the train robbery trend reverses.
- Z0rr0 5y ago
  >I think they are being robbed because it's easy to do so, with a low risk for any consequences. Similarly as to why shoplifting in LA is up. Ok, then why aren't you robbing or shoplifting if it's so easy and risk-free? Is it because you have too much to lose if you get caught? My whole point is that if people have a minimal standard of living, the fear of losing it will prevent them from committing crimes much more effectively than some nut shooting at them
  - weallknowtheobv 5y ago
  - sgjohnson 5y ago
    > Is it because you have too much to lose if you get caught? Absolutely not, risking a first time shoplifting charge is well within my risk tolerance. I'm not doing it because 1. I find crimes against person or property vile 2. It's not worth it. All things considered, it's probably a pretty abysmal hourly rate. > My whole point is that if people have a minimal standard of living, the fear of losing it will prevent them from committing crimes much more effectively I agree, however I don't see how it is my fault or why would I have to pay for someone else's minimal standard of living. Teaching a man how to fish vs giving the man a fish.
    - Z0rr0 5y ago
      >I find crimes against person or property vile ... >Start shooting at the thieves and see how fast the train robbery trend reverses.
hnaccy 5y ago
>The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens. Wut? This isn't clear at all. Lots of theft like this or mass retail theft are done by semi-organized crime rings.

by Z0rr0 5y ago

snowgrove 5y ago

>The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens. That isn’t clear to me at all. In Washington DC, for example, much of the recent increase in theft (grand theft auto especially) has been committed by unsupervised juveniles. AFAICT they do it because they’re bored, it’s easy, it’s exciting, and they generally escape punishment. Who’s to say it’s not a similar situation with these train robberies?

vanilla_nut 5y ago
In Denver, we experienced a huge increase in bike theft because a massive crime ring was exporting them to Mexico and then reselling them for thousands. Sometimes crime isn’t desperation or opportunistic (though Denver still has plenty of opportunistic thefts), it can be organized too!

Kiro 5y ago

It's not that simple. Look at Sweden. We have all those things and delivery companies have stopped delivering to certain areas due to their trucks being robbed. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/malmobon-sylvias-adress-ar-for-farlig-att-leverera-paket-till https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/malmobon-sylvias-adr... https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/postnord-stoppar-paketutdelning-i-gottsunda-valsatra https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/postnord-stoppar-p...

nivenkos 5y ago
PostNord ever delivers things normally? /s
- Kiro 5y ago
  Actually relevant comment but before people say "oh, so it's just this scummy company overblowing things" - PostNord is the de facto postal service in Sweden and owned by the Swedish state. However, they are also notoriously bad so the joke is spot on.

sgjohnson 5y ago

Nobody is "forced" to steal packages. "The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens." I don't think that's true. I think they are being robbed because it's easy to do so, with a low risk for any consequences. Similarly as to why shoplifting in LA is up. Start shooting at the thieves and see how fast the train robbery trend reverses.

Z0rr0 5y ago
>I think they are being robbed because it's easy to do so, with a low risk for any consequences. Similarly as to why shoplifting in LA is up. Ok, then why aren't you robbing or shoplifting if it's so easy and risk-free? Is it because you have too much to lose if you get caught? My whole point is that if people have a minimal standard of living, the fear of losing it will prevent them from committing crimes much more effectively than some nut shooting at them
- weallknowtheobv 5y ago
- sgjohnson 5y ago
  > Is it because you have too much to lose if you get caught? Absolutely not, risking a first time shoplifting charge is well within my risk tolerance. I'm not doing it because 1. I find crimes against person or property vile 2. It's not worth it. All things considered, it's probably a pretty abysmal hourly rate. > My whole point is that if people have a minimal standard of living, the fear of losing it will prevent them from committing crimes much more effectively I agree, however I don't see how it is my fault or why would I have to pay for someone else's minimal standard of living. Teaching a man how to fish vs giving the man a fish.
  - Z0rr0 5y ago
    >I find crimes against person or property vile ... >Start shooting at the thieves and see how fast the train robbery trend reverses.

hnaccy 5y ago

>The trains are clearly being robbed out of desperation by the poorest citizens. Wut? This isn't clear at all. Lots of theft like this or mass retail theft are done by semi-organized crime rings.