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Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are sp

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting the emperor does indeed have clothes, are complicit in their crimes, the same way those who in the past defended the governments making the “dirty” ones sit at the back of the bus. What’s the big deal they just have to sit at the back of the bus? What’s the big deal about having to get vaccinated?

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
> Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Yes, in many cases substantially worse. > If vaccinated people are spreading covid, and maybe more so That's not accurate either.
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  No it is accurate. Vaccinated people are spreading and getting covid. Or are the masks for vaccinated folks just show?
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    > No it is accurate. Vaccinated people are spreading and getting covid. But not "more so". Not even equal. it is less, and to say otherwise is inaccurate.
- JPKab 5y ago
  You've been wrong about Omicron the entire time. You were proclaiming doom weeks ago, and crapping all over many of us pointing at the South African data. We were proven correct, you were proven wrong. No sense of humility about this on your part. Just because some of us deal with fear better than others doesn't make us fools and you empathetic by comparison. "Many" is not remotely specific. It's hand-waving. "Many" people who drive cars die in car accidents. It's hand-wavy and vague, and is often an indication of cognitive dissonance to argue this way. The confidence with which these assertions are being made is unearned and unjustified.
mhh__ 5y ago
COVID deaths in Australia are currently the highest they've ever been, how many people usually die of colds in a given day?
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  What does this have to do with vaccine mandates? Vaccines do NOT prevent you from getting it or spreading the disease. Weird how these heavily vaccinated countries are still getting slammed by covid. And what do you really think it must be those stubborn unvaccinated people? We as society would be better off if we pretended it was just like the common cold, and guess what, you might get sick and die, but most likely you’ll have some cold symptoms. If someone has a positive covid test but no symptoms, I’d rather have them over to my house than the person with a negative covid test and mild cold symptoms.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    > Vaccines do NOT prevent you from getting it or spreading the disease. Do not think of this is binary "protect or does not" that is never the case. There are no absolutes. it's not ones and zeros, it's probabilities. Vaccines _greatly reduce_ the chance of you getting it or spreading it, or being hospitalised with it. That is undeniable, do not obfuscate it with technically-true but actually-misleading statements.
underwater 5y ago
If you catch Omicron, and are double vaccinated, which is almost the best case, then you're still much more likely to die from COVID than the flu.
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  Uhh so what? You’re also very unlikely to die from the flu. We’re going to have a brave new world soon, where the cities will build walls and not let anyone in and will live in their little prison apartments, getting everything shipped to them, and those outside will just be living their lives, hanging out with friends, having babies, and then they will die. Survival is not the goal. Living is.
  - underwater 5y ago
    You literally asked "Is omnicron worse than a common cold?" That is the question I responded to. Now you're shifting to a different point, which is that you think that restrictions are too severe. That a perfectly valid argument to make, but I'm not going to engage with it here. I take issue with people deliberately peddling misinformation about COVID severity, because they think it helps their argument around the response. It is intellectually dishonest, and has caused actual harm.
_ph_ 5y ago
Yes, omicron is much worse than a common cold or the flu. Completely unvaccinated persons are still in quite a danger for life through it. The virus is known not only to cause death, but to cause organ damages even with lighter case and having likely long term effects. The whole affair isn't because he is likely a major risk to the population of Australia - that can be easily ruled out by a test, but about failing to comply with the regulations of entry, especially if there was fraud involved with his documentation. And no one understands why he didn't get vaccinated in time. Not only would that be of personal health benefit, it would make working in his profession much easier.
- alkonaut 5y ago
  This said - that there are some risks, one must remember that these risks exists for flu as well. There is definitely risks of long term organ damage, death, or long term symptoms from flu. So when someone asks "is this worse than the flu?", one shouldn't immediate think the question is "is this something that isn't dangerous and everyone recovers without long term damage from?". Flu can be nasty. So can several other respiratory diseases like RS. If covid fatality rate is cut to 1/10 (which optimistic reports are indicating) then one can absolutely start comparing it to the flu. But the thing is: the flu simply doesn't infect such a large part of a population at once. It's not a threat to the function of society. That's what we should be afraid of now. If this was a flu pandemic with a virus that had this infectivity, I think the situation and response around the world would be exactly the same.
- Someone 5y ago
  The flu also kills thousands every year. The jury is still out there, but it is possible that omicron turns out to be in about the same league as some of the more dangerous flu strains (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic says the Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu epidemics killed 100,000 in the USA, at times where the population of the USA was below 200 million)
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  This is the whole thing that has to stop though. We bring up how deadly covid is, and how vaccinations help reduce symptoms, but no one is pointing out the most insane thing of the blatant discrimination against unvaccinated people to be denied entry to a place without proof of vaccination, even though, vaccinated people are still spreading the disease. I’m sorry but supporting this crap is insanity. You literally are taking a group of people and making them the dirty untouchables, saying “show me your papers” like the discriminative parties of the past. The weird thing is those who told blacks to get to the back of the bus or called the police on their neighbor for hiding a Jew in their basement also were as convinced as all these people who defend vaccine mandates.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

> Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Yes, in many cases substantially worse. > If vaccinated people are spreading covid, and maybe more so That's not accurate either.

mostertoaster 5y ago
No it is accurate. Vaccinated people are spreading and getting covid. Or are the masks for vaccinated folks just show?
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > No it is accurate. Vaccinated people are spreading and getting covid. But not "more so". Not even equal. it is less, and to say otherwise is inaccurate.
JPKab 5y ago
You've been wrong about Omicron the entire time. You were proclaiming doom weeks ago, and crapping all over many of us pointing at the South African data. We were proven correct, you were proven wrong. No sense of humility about this on your part. Just because some of us deal with fear better than others doesn't make us fools and you empathetic by comparison. "Many" is not remotely specific. It's hand-waving. "Many" people who drive cars die in car accidents. It's hand-wavy and vague, and is often an indication of cognitive dissonance to argue this way. The confidence with which these assertions are being made is unearned and unjustified.

mhh__ 5y ago

COVID deaths in Australia are currently the highest they've ever been, how many people usually die of colds in a given day?

mostertoaster 5y ago
What does this have to do with vaccine mandates? Vaccines do NOT prevent you from getting it or spreading the disease. Weird how these heavily vaccinated countries are still getting slammed by covid. And what do you really think it must be those stubborn unvaccinated people? We as society would be better off if we pretended it was just like the common cold, and guess what, you might get sick and die, but most likely you’ll have some cold symptoms. If someone has a positive covid test but no symptoms, I’d rather have them over to my house than the person with a negative covid test and mild cold symptoms.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > Vaccines do NOT prevent you from getting it or spreading the disease. Do not think of this is binary "protect or does not" that is never the case. There are no absolutes. it's not ones and zeros, it's probabilities. Vaccines _greatly reduce_ the chance of you getting it or spreading it, or being hospitalised with it. That is undeniable, do not obfuscate it with technically-true but actually-misleading statements.

underwater 5y ago

If you catch Omicron, and are double vaccinated, which is almost the best case, then you're still much more likely to die from COVID than the flu.

mostertoaster 5y ago
Uhh so what? You’re also very unlikely to die from the flu. We’re going to have a brave new world soon, where the cities will build walls and not let anyone in and will live in their little prison apartments, getting everything shipped to them, and those outside will just be living their lives, hanging out with friends, having babies, and then they will die. Survival is not the goal. Living is.
- underwater 5y ago
  You literally asked "Is omnicron worse than a common cold?" That is the question I responded to. Now you're shifting to a different point, which is that you think that restrictions are too severe. That a perfectly valid argument to make, but I'm not going to engage with it here. I take issue with people deliberately peddling misinformation about COVID severity, because they think it helps their argument around the response. It is intellectually dishonest, and has caused actual harm.

_ph_ 5y ago

Yes, omicron is much worse than a common cold or the flu. Completely unvaccinated persons are still in quite a danger for life through it. The virus is known not only to cause death, but to cause organ damages even with lighter case and having likely long term effects. The whole affair isn't because he is likely a major risk to the population of Australia - that can be easily ruled out by a test, but about failing to comply with the regulations of entry, especially if there was fraud involved with his documentation. And no one understands why he didn't get vaccinated in time. Not only would that be of personal health benefit, it would make working in his profession much easier.

alkonaut 5y ago
This said - that there are some risks, one must remember that these risks exists for flu as well. There is definitely risks of long term organ damage, death, or long term symptoms from flu. So when someone asks "is this worse than the flu?", one shouldn't immediate think the question is "is this something that isn't dangerous and everyone recovers without long term damage from?". Flu can be nasty. So can several other respiratory diseases like RS. If covid fatality rate is cut to 1/10 (which optimistic reports are indicating) then one can absolutely start comparing it to the flu. But the thing is: the flu simply doesn't infect such a large part of a population at once. It's not a threat to the function of society. That's what we should be afraid of now. If this was a flu pandemic with a virus that had this infectivity, I think the situation and response around the world would be exactly the same.
Someone 5y ago
The flu also kills thousands every year. The jury is still out there, but it is possible that omicron turns out to be in about the same league as some of the more dangerous flu strains (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic says the Asian flu and the Hong Kong flu epidemics killed 100,000 in the USA, at times where the population of the USA was below 200 million)
mostertoaster 5y ago
This is the whole thing that has to stop though. We bring up how deadly covid is, and how vaccinations help reduce symptoms, but no one is pointing out the most insane thing of the blatant discrimination against unvaccinated people to be denied entry to a place without proof of vaccination, even though, vaccinated people are still spreading the disease. I’m sorry but supporting this crap is insanity. You literally are taking a group of people and making them the dirty untouchables, saying “show me your papers” like the discriminative parties of the past. The weird thing is those who told blacks to get to the back of the bus or called the police on their neighbor for hiding a Jew in their basement also were as convinced as all these people who defend vaccine mandates.