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RIP Australian Open. It left a bitter taste when it died.

by ls15 5y ago

type0 5y ago
It's not dead yet and to fit the times I'd suggest renaming it to Australian Closed
- senectus1 5y ago
  ha!
- ls15 5y ago
  It will not be known as the tournament where the best player wins, but as the tournament where the best vaccinated player wins, because the best player was not allowed to participate. It's not a top league tournament anymore, when you don't have all the best player, but only those that are allowed by government criteria.
  - forty 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure they are many criterias that would prevent a top player from participating. It's the best player who is not injured, has not taken any drug, is not sick, accepts all the rules of the ATP, including all the anti doping procedures all year long which are pretty invasive, who can get a visa to come to the tournament, etc etc.
    - ls15 5y ago
      Yes, but this one had no good basis. He is in the highest risk group for myocarditis and he already had Covid in June. Omicron is dominant now. Vaccine efficacy against it is low. What is the actual reason to mandate that he must be vaccinated?
  - tigershark 5y ago
    Ah ok, so is he was discovered taking performance enhancing drugs you would complain in the same way saying that it’s unacceptable that only the best non-doped player can win. Your logic is completely flawed. If there are rules and he breaks then they have ALL the reasons to ban him.
    - calf 5y ago
      Hi, I just saw your reply from 55 days ago on a related COVID topic, and I'm honestly stumped that you would think paraphrasing Vincent Racaniello who literally writes the modern textbook on virology is somehow spreading misinformation. I don't know if you've watched his podcasts on YouTube, but he and his colleagues lay out their reasons for disagreeing with the position of other scientists. So check it out and maybe if you still think what I said was wrong then let me know.
    - ls15 5y ago
      He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is not getting the vaccine under these cicumstances comparable to doping? Is not taking the vaccine known to be performance-enhancing?
  - dale_glass 5y ago
    Welcome to international travel! Countries are sovereign entities and decide who gets through the borders. For any international gathering, there's going to be people who have a hard time making it through, or are unable. I was once invited by a company to an US based developer meeting, and couldn't make it because the company didn't realize I needed a visa, and it's absolutely impossible to get one in two weeks barring exceptional circumstances like the death of a family member. Later when I visited the US it took about a couple months to get the visa in my passport. Countries are picky about who they allow in, and require a bunch of paperwork to reassure them you're not going to cause trouble and are going to leave when you're done seeing sights.
    - ls15 5y ago
      I think that an international sports event in a country that is too picky has no chance to stay relevant, especially if that means that it filters out some of the best athletes.
      - dale_glass 5y ago
        Probably, yeah. I don't think that makes much difference in the end. While I don't know much about Australia, I'm pretty sure a tennis tournament is not their biggest priority right now.
        ls15 5y ago
        One more reason to cancel it, rather than pushing it under unfair conditions.
        dale_glass 5y ago
        Why unfair conditions? It's just Djokovic being stupid. Vaccination has long been a requirement for admission into countries, and Covid isn't a new event either. The only new things going on here is Djovokic being public about it, and some minor bureaucratic issues, other than that it's very much business as usual. But in any case I don't have an opinion on the tournament, I don't watch those anyway. It's up to them to figure out whether this is worth cancelling things over.

RIP Australian Open. It left a bitter taste when it died.

by ls15 5y ago

RIP Australian Open. It left a bitter taste when it died.

type0 5y ago

It's not dead yet and to fit the times I'd suggest renaming it to Australian Closed

senectus1 5y ago
ha!
ls15 5y ago
It will not be known as the tournament where the best player wins, but as the tournament where the best vaccinated player wins, because the best player was not allowed to participate. It's not a top league tournament anymore, when you don't have all the best player, but only those that are allowed by government criteria.
- forty 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure they are many criterias that would prevent a top player from participating. It's the best player who is not injured, has not taken any drug, is not sick, accepts all the rules of the ATP, including all the anti doping procedures all year long which are pretty invasive, who can get a visa to come to the tournament, etc etc.
  - ls15 5y ago
    Yes, but this one had no good basis. He is in the highest risk group for myocarditis and he already had Covid in June. Omicron is dominant now. Vaccine efficacy against it is low. What is the actual reason to mandate that he must be vaccinated?
- tigershark 5y ago
  Ah ok, so is he was discovered taking performance enhancing drugs you would complain in the same way saying that it’s unacceptable that only the best non-doped player can win. Your logic is completely flawed. If there are rules and he breaks then they have ALL the reasons to ban him.
  - calf 5y ago
    Hi, I just saw your reply from 55 days ago on a related COVID topic, and I'm honestly stumped that you would think paraphrasing Vincent Racaniello who literally writes the modern textbook on virology is somehow spreading misinformation. I don't know if you've watched his podcasts on YouTube, but he and his colleagues lay out their reasons for disagreeing with the position of other scientists. So check it out and maybe if you still think what I said was wrong then let me know.
  - ls15 5y ago
    He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is not getting the vaccine under these cicumstances comparable to doping? Is not taking the vaccine known to be performance-enhancing?
- dale_glass 5y ago
  Welcome to international travel! Countries are sovereign entities and decide who gets through the borders. For any international gathering, there's going to be people who have a hard time making it through, or are unable. I was once invited by a company to an US based developer meeting, and couldn't make it because the company didn't realize I needed a visa, and it's absolutely impossible to get one in two weeks barring exceptional circumstances like the death of a family member. Later when I visited the US it took about a couple months to get the visa in my passport. Countries are picky about who they allow in, and require a bunch of paperwork to reassure them you're not going to cause trouble and are going to leave when you're done seeing sights.
  - ls15 5y ago
    I think that an international sports event in a country that is too picky has no chance to stay relevant, especially if that means that it filters out some of the best athletes.
    - dale_glass 5y ago
      Probably, yeah. I don't think that makes much difference in the end. While I don't know much about Australia, I'm pretty sure a tennis tournament is not their biggest priority right now.
      - ls15 5y ago
        One more reason to cancel it, rather than pushing it under unfair conditions.
        dale_glass 5y ago
        Why unfair conditions? It's just Djokovic being stupid. Vaccination has long been a requirement for admission into countries, and Covid isn't a new event either. The only new things going on here is Djovokic being public about it, and some minor bureaucratic issues, other than that it's very much business as usual. But in any case I don't have an opinion on the tournament, I don't watch those anyway. It's up to them to figure out whether this is worth cancelling things over.