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I have been informed by lawyer friends, who have read the YouTube terms of service, that viewing the content from YouTube in any way other than on the YouTube w

by Asooka 5y ago

I have been informed by lawyer friends, who have read the YouTube terms of service, that viewing the content from YouTube in any way other than on the YouTube webpage using an interactive user agent is a violation of the terms of service and keeping the file sent to you is a copyright violation, because YouTube didn't authorise such use. Obviously your browser's cache is allowed to keep a partial local copy, because it's doing it in the approved process of showing you the content in the approved manner.

grishka 5y ago
That's all that legal fluff that shows how insane our society is sometimes. In reality, the service owner is no longer in control of what happens to their content after the bits physically leave their premises. No amount of legalese is going to change that and help enforce this. That's just the way information works. And unlike our artificial laws enacted by governments in the interest of corporations as opposed to regular people, this is a law of physics, so it treats everyone equally and no one gets to choose whether to follow it or not.
- kevincox 5y ago
  > the service owner is no longer in control of what happens to their content after the bits physically leave their premises If course they are, in a legal sense. Copyright had no sense of bits, data or access. It just cares about licenses. I'm also not sure that it is a great idea to try to ignore this law. Otherwise they just double down on DRM to ensure that they are the true owners of any devices those bits cross.
  - grishka 5y ago
    Copyright is next to impossible to enforce. Especially so since the majority people don't respect it in its current from, and the entertainment industry abuses it. Laws that protect physical property and condemn violence are universally accepted and thus thoroughly enforced. If you see someone breaking into someone's house, you'd probably call the cops on them. If you see someone torrent a movie, you'd probably accept that as a perfectly normal thing to do, maybe a bit immoral, but definitely not worthy of real punishment. And a law that isn't enforced is just a bunch of letters. > Otherwise they just double down on DRM to ensure that they are the true owners of any devices those bits cross. Any DRM system is by definition vulnerable to data extraction because the data has to eventually be presented in a form that can be perceived by a human. Even if you presume that the system is absolutely tight and you can't extract the raw stream without millions of dollars worth of equipment, there's always the "analog hole". And it only takes one recovered HDCP key to break the entire system.
kergonath 5y ago
> keeping the file sent to you is a copyright violation, because YouTube didn't authorise such use Except that the copyright of the contents is with the creators, not YouTube. And also something being in the terms of use does not make it legal, and they cannot make fair use illegal.

by Asooka 5y ago

grishka 5y ago

That's all that legal fluff that shows how insane our society is sometimes. In reality, the service owner is no longer in control of what happens to their content after the bits physically leave their premises. No amount of legalese is going to change that and help enforce this. That's just the way information works. And unlike our artificial laws enacted by governments in the interest of corporations as opposed to regular people, this is a law of physics, so it treats everyone equally and no one gets to choose whether to follow it or not.

kevincox 5y ago
> the service owner is no longer in control of what happens to their content after the bits physically leave their premises If course they are, in a legal sense. Copyright had no sense of bits, data or access. It just cares about licenses. I'm also not sure that it is a great idea to try to ignore this law. Otherwise they just double down on DRM to ensure that they are the true owners of any devices those bits cross.
- grishka 5y ago
  Copyright is next to impossible to enforce. Especially so since the majority people don't respect it in its current from, and the entertainment industry abuses it. Laws that protect physical property and condemn violence are universally accepted and thus thoroughly enforced. If you see someone breaking into someone's house, you'd probably call the cops on them. If you see someone torrent a movie, you'd probably accept that as a perfectly normal thing to do, maybe a bit immoral, but definitely not worthy of real punishment. And a law that isn't enforced is just a bunch of letters. > Otherwise they just double down on DRM to ensure that they are the true owners of any devices those bits cross. Any DRM system is by definition vulnerable to data extraction because the data has to eventually be presented in a form that can be perceived by a human. Even if you presume that the system is absolutely tight and you can't extract the raw stream without millions of dollars worth of equipment, there's always the "analog hole". And it only takes one recovered HDCP key to break the entire system.

kergonath 5y ago

> keeping the file sent to you is a copyright violation, because YouTube didn't authorise such use Except that the copyright of the contents is with the creators, not YouTube. And also something being in the terms of use does not make it legal, and they cannot make fair use illegal.