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Soft on crime policies like restorative justice simply attract crime. No consequences means no deterrent. It’s not surprising this happens in LA - George Gascon

Soft on crime policies like restorative justice simply attract crime. No consequences means no deterrent. It’s not surprising this happens in LA - George Gascon is the DA and he’s facing increasing support for his recall (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/liberal-beverly-hills-votes-to-recall-democratic-district-attorney-george-gascon https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/liberal-beverly-hill...).

threatofrain 5y ago
This is not LAPD responsibility, and the HQ of the responsible force is in Omaha Nebraska.
- onepointsixC 5y ago
  If it isn't LA's responsibility why is Union Pacific asking LA's DA to stop releasing suspects who were arrested for theft? [1] [1]:https://twitter.com/CBSLAKristine/status/1482115852216385538?s=20 https://twitter.com/CBSLAKristine/status/1482115852216385538...
- zo1 5y ago
  It's still a consequence of general lack of policing or soft policing. Whether this is LAPDs responsibility or not, the overall society and its view on crime like this is a huge component to this occurring. We can't have nice things if people are just going around and stealing because "hey it doesn't hurt anyone".
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  - plantain 5y ago
    Are the police notoriously soft in other broken states like South Africa? I don't think so - the intensity of policing seems poorly correlated to outcomes to me. I despair every day at America's descent into a failed state. Is no one watching?
yed 5y ago
Apparently this is under the jurisdiction of the railroad police, not LAPD. Not clear to me what jurisdiction that falls under but sounds like it might be federal.
DanHulton 5y ago
How do reconcile that view with this just... Not happening in other countries with much softer policing?
- snowgrove 5y ago
  I’ve read that the magnitude of punishment has less of a deterrent effect on crime compared to the certainty of receiving punishment at all. Softer consequences that you will probably face, as in parts of Europe, are different from harder (on paper) consequences that you will likely escape under a progressive prosecutor in the US. See the Chicago, San Francisco, Milwaukee, and Baltimore DAs for examples of this. Edit: And don’t confuse American police/law enforcement, who are often harsh to say the least, with the legal arm of the criminal justice system. In many US cities the two are often at odds, as lax prosecutors and DAs release criminals almost as soon as police apprehend them. The Washington DC Chief of Police in particular complained about this recently.
palijer 5y ago
How the heck is crime attractive? Why are you not attracted to this crime? Why am I not attracted to it as I sit working from home for a tech company? I don't think crime is attractive, it isn't something that people want to do in a developed society. There are plenty of crimes I can commits and get away with but I am not attracted to doing them.

threatofrain 5y ago

This is not LAPD responsibility, and the HQ of the responsible force is in Omaha Nebraska.

onepointsixC 5y ago
If it isn't LA's responsibility why is Union Pacific asking LA's DA to stop releasing suspects who were arrested for theft? [1] [1]:https://twitter.com/CBSLAKristine/status/1482115852216385538?s=20 https://twitter.com/CBSLAKristine/status/1482115852216385538...
zo1 5y ago
It's still a consequence of general lack of policing or soft policing. Whether this is LAPDs responsibility or not, the overall society and its view on crime like this is a huge component to this occurring. We can't have nice things if people are just going around and stealing because "hey it doesn't hurt anyone".
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- plantain 5y ago
  Are the police notoriously soft in other broken states like South Africa? I don't think so - the intensity of policing seems poorly correlated to outcomes to me. I despair every day at America's descent into a failed state. Is no one watching?

yed 5y ago

Apparently this is under the jurisdiction of the railroad police, not LAPD. Not clear to me what jurisdiction that falls under but sounds like it might be federal.

DanHulton 5y ago

How do reconcile that view with this just... Not happening in other countries with much softer policing?

snowgrove 5y ago
I’ve read that the magnitude of punishment has less of a deterrent effect on crime compared to the certainty of receiving punishment at all. Softer consequences that you will probably face, as in parts of Europe, are different from harder (on paper) consequences that you will likely escape under a progressive prosecutor in the US. See the Chicago, San Francisco, Milwaukee, and Baltimore DAs for examples of this. Edit: And don’t confuse American police/law enforcement, who are often harsh to say the least, with the legal arm of the criminal justice system. In many US cities the two are often at odds, as lax prosecutors and DAs release criminals almost as soon as police apprehend them. The Washington DC Chief of Police in particular complained about this recently.

palijer 5y ago

How the heck is crime attractive? Why are you not attracted to this crime? Why am I not attracted to it as I sit working from home for a tech company? I don't think crime is attractive, it isn't something that people want to do in a developed society. There are plenty of crimes I can commits and get away with but I am not attracted to doing them.