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Lest I be labeled a plague rat of misinformation; I'm trying to ready proper studies on some of the supposed "vaccine injuries" that have been popping up. After

Lest I be labeled a plague rat of misinformation; I'm trying to ready proper studies on some of the supposed "vaccine injuries" that have been popping up. After the smear campaign that muffled Dr. Robert Malone, I discovered his website and substack which led me to this page: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/references https://www.rwmalonemd.com/references That is a lot of NIH papers citing a lot of suspicious things! In contrast I'm not able to find much to compare with other vaccines (this is because I don't have a nicely curated list to start from; nor are my journal-searching skills up to snuff).

acdha 5y ago
One note: Pubmed is a public archive hosted by the National Library of Medicine. It doesn’t imply endorsement by NIH.
- kfrzcode 5y ago
  Thank you! ++
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tamaharbor 5y ago
I had never heard of myocarditis until recently, but now I know three people with the condition, all recently vaccinated. I know that is anecdotal, but I am more afraid of heart problems than I am of covid at this point, so I will remain unvaccinated.
- Niksko 5y ago
  You're more likely to develop myocarditis from COVID than from the vaccine. So if you're more worried about heart problems than COVID, it still makes sense to get vaccinated. Pretend it's a vaccine against heart problems, and try not to think too much about where the heart problems came from.
  - dehrmann 5y ago
    > You're more likely to develop myocarditis from COVID than from the vaccine Do we know this yet for omicron?
  - native_samples 5y ago
    Nobody can make statements like that with any confidence, and I feel it's misleading and possibly dangerously misleading to claim that. COVID and any/all possible symptoms are being searched for with the largest dragnet disease surveillance system in history. Millions of people are subject to essentially "random" COVID testing per day, and if any of them become positive, that triggers a chain of events that leads to huge quantities of research effort being directed towards them. Myocarditis cases are being investigated only when people turn up at hospital saying "my heart hurts", and even then, there is enormous pressure on medics to not ascribe these cases to vaccination. There is no systematic survey of the population being done to detect these cases. Thus it's not really possible to say how often myocarditis is being created by COVID vaccines in the general population. All the numbers being thrown around in this thread, like the top voted post, are ridiculous because they're assuming that both sides of the ratio are being discovered in equal proportions, which clearly cannot be true. One of my own best friends took Moderna, which has a much higher risk of triggering myocarditis than COVID according to British data, even though nobody is looking for. Sure enough a couple of months later he experienced some sort of "heart event". I'm not sure it was quite a heart attack exactly but he experienced sudden extreme fatigue in which he had to lie down, a squeezing sensation in his chest and racing heart with skipped/irregular heartbeats. Whatever it was, he didn't report it or get it looked at.
    - 20after4 5y ago
      That sounds like you described a heart attack. They aren't always fatal and many people have a heart attack without realizing that's what it was.
      - native_samples 5y ago
        I was hoping nobody would say that :( I guess I should tell him.
- __m 5y ago
  Dying of Covid seems to be pretty brutal
- dehrmann 5y ago
  If you're in the US, look into the J&J vaccine. It isn't an mRNA vaccine, and doesn't seem to have the myocarditis risk.
  - ornornor 5y ago
    It also is quite a bit less effective.
- gilbetron 5y ago
  You know 3 people that have confirmed, physician diagnosed myocarditis following vaccination? Or do you know 3 people who have "heart feel kinda weird, is this myocarditis"?
  - tamaharbor 5y ago
    Hospital confirmed in two cases, physician confirmed in the other. Really scary stuff.

acdha 5y ago

One note: Pubmed is a public archive hosted by the National Library of Medicine. It doesn’t imply endorsement by NIH.

kfrzcode 5y ago
Thank you! ++

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tamaharbor 5y ago

I had never heard of myocarditis until recently, but now I know three people with the condition, all recently vaccinated. I know that is anecdotal, but I am more afraid of heart problems than I am of covid at this point, so I will remain unvaccinated.

Niksko 5y ago
You're more likely to develop myocarditis from COVID than from the vaccine. So if you're more worried about heart problems than COVID, it still makes sense to get vaccinated. Pretend it's a vaccine against heart problems, and try not to think too much about where the heart problems came from.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  > You're more likely to develop myocarditis from COVID than from the vaccine Do we know this yet for omicron?
- native_samples 5y ago
  Nobody can make statements like that with any confidence, and I feel it's misleading and possibly dangerously misleading to claim that. COVID and any/all possible symptoms are being searched for with the largest dragnet disease surveillance system in history. Millions of people are subject to essentially "random" COVID testing per day, and if any of them become positive, that triggers a chain of events that leads to huge quantities of research effort being directed towards them. Myocarditis cases are being investigated only when people turn up at hospital saying "my heart hurts", and even then, there is enormous pressure on medics to not ascribe these cases to vaccination. There is no systematic survey of the population being done to detect these cases. Thus it's not really possible to say how often myocarditis is being created by COVID vaccines in the general population. All the numbers being thrown around in this thread, like the top voted post, are ridiculous because they're assuming that both sides of the ratio are being discovered in equal proportions, which clearly cannot be true. One of my own best friends took Moderna, which has a much higher risk of triggering myocarditis than COVID according to British data, even though nobody is looking for. Sure enough a couple of months later he experienced some sort of "heart event". I'm not sure it was quite a heart attack exactly but he experienced sudden extreme fatigue in which he had to lie down, a squeezing sensation in his chest and racing heart with skipped/irregular heartbeats. Whatever it was, he didn't report it or get it looked at.
  - 20after4 5y ago
    That sounds like you described a heart attack. They aren't always fatal and many people have a heart attack without realizing that's what it was.
    - native_samples 5y ago
      I was hoping nobody would say that :( I guess I should tell him.
__m 5y ago
Dying of Covid seems to be pretty brutal
dehrmann 5y ago
If you're in the US, look into the J&J vaccine. It isn't an mRNA vaccine, and doesn't seem to have the myocarditis risk.
- ornornor 5y ago
  It also is quite a bit less effective.
gilbetron 5y ago
You know 3 people that have confirmed, physician diagnosed myocarditis following vaccination? Or do you know 3 people who have "heart feel kinda weird, is this myocarditis"?
- tamaharbor 5y ago
  Hospital confirmed in two cases, physician confirmed in the other. Really scary stuff.