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First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Second, for some people, fairness is important. If OP is

First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Second, for some people, fairness is important. If OP is one of those people, they may prefer knowing if their employer shares those values. If they don’t, then OP may want to know with certainty so they can work elsewhere.

mindcrime 5y ago
First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Sure, no problem. I tend to roll with the belief that essentially everything posted here is "just somebody's opinion" (with few rare exceptions) and I've grown away from bothering to preface everything with "in my opinion" or "IME" or whatever. I consider that to be assumed.
ncmncm 5y ago
The "which is more likely" principle applies: is it more likely you will get a raise, or that the manager gets it? You were being a busybody, but the manager was doing their assigned work.
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  There are also many other possible outcomes. Even if it's less likely that the manager would side with OP, it doesn't mean "approaches 0", as you stated previously. Additionally, even if the manager doesn't address it, it could end up being a positive. Instead of "which is more likely", what really matters is the value of the outcome. I'm the kind of person that I would rather know whether my manager cares at all, so even the worst case outcome (getting fired) would be beneficial because I don't want to work with a group of people who can't rely on each other.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    "Which is more likely?" is a hint that one choice obviously has probability near 1, and the other as near zero as makes no difference.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      So in this made up scale, "more likely" means "absolutely definitely without any evidence"?
      - ncmncm 5y ago
        It means anything you like. Wishful thinking can take you anywhere in all fantasyland.

mindcrime 5y ago

First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Sure, no problem. I tend to roll with the belief that essentially everything posted here is "just somebody's opinion" (with few rare exceptions) and I've grown away from bothering to preface everything with "in my opinion" or "IME" or whatever. I consider that to be assumed.

ncmncm 5y ago

The "which is more likely" principle applies: is it more likely you will get a raise, or that the manager gets it? You were being a busybody, but the manager was doing their assigned work.

edmundsauto 5y ago
There are also many other possible outcomes. Even if it's less likely that the manager would side with OP, it doesn't mean "approaches 0", as you stated previously. Additionally, even if the manager doesn't address it, it could end up being a positive. Instead of "which is more likely", what really matters is the value of the outcome. I'm the kind of person that I would rather know whether my manager cares at all, so even the worst case outcome (getting fired) would be beneficial because I don't want to work with a group of people who can't rely on each other.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  "Which is more likely?" is a hint that one choice obviously has probability near 1, and the other as near zero as makes no difference.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    So in this made up scale, "more likely" means "absolutely definitely without any evidence"?
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      It means anything you like. Wishful thinking can take you anywhere in all fantasyland.