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Say nothing. It shouldn't matter to you what they are or are not doing. You do work, you get paid. That's all that's relevant to you. I do understand why you f

Say nothing. It shouldn't matter to you what they are or are not doing. You do work, you get paid. That's all that's relevant to you. I do understand why you find this frustrating, of course – most people would. But I can't see anything good coming out of you bringing this up – how would you even go about doing that?

edmundsauto 5y ago
The good that could happen: comp increase, or promotion. Or even just making sure their manager is aware that the entire dept productivity is on OP (makes their leverage obvious). Or, if the expectations are low, OP could de-stress and kick back at work, improving their life. Possible bad: gets the other person fired. Puts a target on OPs back. Point being, this will fester if it isn't addressed. Fairness is important, as are concrete expectations.
- mindcrime 5y ago
  The good that could happen: comp increase, or promotion. The odds of that happening are approximately 0. More likely the "slacker" guy is allowed to get away with it because of nepotism or some other factor, and calling him out with result in negative consequences for the OP. Very, very little good usually comes out of speaking up about stuff like this.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Second, for some people, fairness is important. If OP is one of those people, they may prefer knowing if their employer shares those values. If they don’t, then OP may want to know with certainty so they can work elsewhere.
    - mindcrime 5y ago
      First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Sure, no problem. I tend to roll with the belief that essentially everything posted here is "just somebody's opinion" (with few rare exceptions) and I've grown away from bothering to preface everything with "in my opinion" or "IME" or whatever. I consider that to be assumed.
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      The "which is more likely" principle applies: is it more likely you will get a raise, or that the manager gets it? You were being a busybody, but the manager was doing their assigned work.
      - edmundsauto 5y ago
        There are also many other possible outcomes. Even if it's less likely that the manager would side with OP, it doesn't mean "approaches 0", as you stated previously. Additionally, even if the manager doesn't address it, it could end up being a positive. Instead of "which is more likely", what really matters is the value of the outcome. I'm the kind of person that I would rather know whether my manager cares at all, so even the worst case outcome (getting fired) would be beneficial because I don't want to work with a group of people who can't rely on each other.
        ncmncm 5y ago
        "Which is more likely?" is a hint that one choice obviously has probability near 1, and the other as near zero as makes no difference.
        edmundsauto 5y ago
        So in this made up scale, "more likely" means "absolutely definitely without any evidence"?
        ncmncm 5y ago
        It means anything you like. Wishful thinking can take you anywhere in all fantasyland.
icedchai 5y ago
It’s not that hard to bring up. I get asked “how’s it going with Joe?” I respond: “not good. He doesn’t seem to do any work, barely understands the project, and makes Jane fill out his reports because he had no clue.” These sorts of chats can be a real laugh when you’re near FIRE.

edmundsauto 5y ago

The good that could happen: comp increase, or promotion. Or even just making sure their manager is aware that the entire dept productivity is on OP (makes their leverage obvious). Or, if the expectations are low, OP could de-stress and kick back at work, improving their life. Possible bad: gets the other person fired. Puts a target on OPs back. Point being, this will fester if it isn't addressed. Fairness is important, as are concrete expectations.

mindcrime 5y ago
The good that could happen: comp increase, or promotion. The odds of that happening are approximately 0. More likely the "slacker" guy is allowed to get away with it because of nepotism or some other factor, and calling him out with result in negative consequences for the OP. Very, very little good usually comes out of speaking up about stuff like this.
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Second, for some people, fairness is important. If OP is one of those people, they may prefer knowing if their employer shares those values. If they don’t, then OP may want to know with certainty so they can work elsewhere.
  - mindcrime 5y ago
    First, let’s acknowledge that “odds approaching 0” is your opinion. I happen to have a different one. Sure, no problem. I tend to roll with the belief that essentially everything posted here is "just somebody's opinion" (with few rare exceptions) and I've grown away from bothering to preface everything with "in my opinion" or "IME" or whatever. I consider that to be assumed.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    The "which is more likely" principle applies: is it more likely you will get a raise, or that the manager gets it? You were being a busybody, but the manager was doing their assigned work.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      There are also many other possible outcomes. Even if it's less likely that the manager would side with OP, it doesn't mean "approaches 0", as you stated previously. Additionally, even if the manager doesn't address it, it could end up being a positive. Instead of "which is more likely", what really matters is the value of the outcome. I'm the kind of person that I would rather know whether my manager cares at all, so even the worst case outcome (getting fired) would be beneficial because I don't want to work with a group of people who can't rely on each other.
      - ncmncm 5y ago
        "Which is more likely?" is a hint that one choice obviously has probability near 1, and the other as near zero as makes no difference.
        edmundsauto 5y ago
        So in this made up scale, "more likely" means "absolutely definitely without any evidence"?
        ncmncm 5y ago
        It means anything you like. Wishful thinking can take you anywhere in all fantasyland.

icedchai 5y ago

It’s not that hard to bring up. I get asked “how’s it going with Joe?” I respond: “not good. He doesn’t seem to do any work, barely understands the project, and makes Jane fill out his reports because he had no clue.” These sorts of chats can be a real laugh when you’re near FIRE.