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From the CBC terms of use: "ANY USE, REPRODUCTION, ALTERATION, MODIFICATION, PUBLIC PERFORMANCE OR DISPLAY, UPLOADING OR POSTING ONTO THE INTERNET, TRANSMISSION

• mbreese 15y ago
  Does it say anything about what web browsers you can use to access the site?
  • pilom 15y ago
    No but my guess is that it wouldn't be too hard for the CBC's lawyers to say what he is doing is encouraging "Public performance" without "Express written permission"
    • mbreese 15y ago
      This could lead to a complete ban on things like userscripts or custom web browsers. For example, I have a Fluid.app instance configured to access Gmail. It isn't in a traditional browser. Would that too fall under this scenario? How about a scripted version for accessing Netflix? Hulu already blocked things like boxee based in their custom browser. A better solution for CBC would be I just block to app's access by the user agent. (I'm not saying you are wrong - just taking it to the extreme)
  • alsocasey 15y ago
    Exactly... I can already access any of these streams through URLs they themselves publish. How is this app any different than packaging a prettily wrapped webkit with bookmarks for these streams on its default homepage? Wouldn't the fact that these URLs exist invalidate any claims CBC may have with respect to transmission/streaming? What should be doen when the corporate entity itself facilitates infringement on its own terms?
    • DrJokepu 15y ago
      Actually, even a "prettily wrapped webkit with bookmarks for these streams on its default homepage" itself would be bordering unauthorised exploitation of their content, especially if you charged for it. This might sound weird at first but keep in mind that just because two things are technically very similar it doesn't mean that they are legally similar.
      • randomdata 15y ago
        I remember back in the day when web browsers actually cost money, my ISP would sell you Netscape preconfigured to use their website as the browser's homepage. Being a Canadian ISP, they provided helpful links to the CBC website on their default homepage. From a legal standpoint, how is that any different at all? Would you say that my ISP was also exploiting CBC's content at the time?
        • jarek 15y ago
          No, they were charging you for the browser. If they sold you a browser that could only view CBC content, CBC might have had beef. (Though remember that back then a lot of legal standards that have now been created didn't exist.) If they sold you a browser with homepage set to CBC by default and extensively marketed that product based on the CBC homepage, CBC might have had beef. If they iframed CBC on their own homepage, CBC might have had beef. Despite some providers' (including CBC's) fanciful claims to the contrary, I don't think or recall any court decision giving control over incoming links to parties being linked to. (Compare to decisions, however controversial, regarding outgoing links, .torrent links being the classic case.)
          • randomdata 15y ago
            The original version was marketed under the CBC brand. While that looked like a pretty clear cut violation, the author has gone to lengths to remove those references. Now the product is just a web browser whose home page provides hyperlinks to the CBC website, just like my ISP did back in the day. When you buy the app, you are buying the web browser, not the CBC content. The CBC content is only accessible via hyperlinks which you, the user, have to specifically activate. I get where you are coming from, but it is not clear where the line is drawn. If I create a web browser with a built-in search field that forwards the browser to Google, like many browsers do these days, am I liable to Google in the same way? What if I create an HTML form with a search field that points towards Google? What if I move the HTML form URL into an <a> tag?
  • Lukeas14 15y ago
    This is similar to how the NFL limits reproduction of its broadcasts. Yes, it's legal to receive the broadcast using any TV but it's still illegal to take that stream and rebroadcast it over the net or some other platform.
    • pyre 15y ago
      But the App itself is in the position of the TV. The stream is 'broadcasting' from cbc.ca and the App is receiving it. Nowhere does he claim that he built a proxy that then 'rebroadcasts' the stream to his App.
• dangrossman 15y ago
  What if I wrote a radio app, and someone provided me the URL of CBC's stream. I've never visited their website; how can I possibly be bound by their terms of service? A contract requires agreement and contractual intent -- can't exist where I haven't even seen the terms. I'm also not creating any copies of their work, so copyright law doesn't come into play. Where's the legal basis in stopping my app? [I am not the OP, just creating a scenario]
  • HannibalLecter 15y ago
    I would normally nod your love of subversion, but you're off base today. Their website has the terms and conditions displayed on it, so your ignorance of their terms of conditions is not their problem -- it's yours. The streams are owned by CBC and they have the right to decide how someone uses them and they have the right to make sure nobody profits off their use who has no affiliation to CBC. You know what's awesome here is that CBC didn't attempt to claim the money the guy made. That really says something about the kind of people who work at the CBC, especially their legal team. I have nothing but respect for those people.
  • cube13 15y ago
    I think that would be fine. It's the exact same thing as iTunes or WMP.
  • voyou 15y ago
    > I'm also not creating any copies of their work. To listen to the content they are streaming on their website, you need to make a copy of it. Now, you could argue that, by creating a URL which will stream that content to any program that asks for it, they have implicitly given everyone permission to copy it in order to listen to it, but I'm not sure that's legally sound, particularly given that AFAICS, the only way in which they publish that URL is in the context of the specific player on their website. (Now, as a publicly-owned broadcaster, the CBC should be streaming its content in a way that allows anyone - or anyone in Canada, anyway - to access it how they choose; but that's a somewhat separate question.)