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> I really want System76 to succeed Succeed at what ? Re-implementing Gnome in Rust ?

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pkulak 5y ago
Selling lots of Linux-based hardware that they design in-house. > Re-implementing Gnome in Rust That seems a bit disingenuous. It's all still GTK.
- azangru 5y ago
  > lots of Linux-based hardware that they design in-house. Are their Clevo-based laptops designed in-house? If they are, why are they designed with such abysmal speakers, mediocre webcam and no attempt to go past the full-HD screen resolution? Why not design something cool like Framework?
  - pkulak 5y ago
    Nope, I don't consider those in-house. They are working on an in-house laptop, and if it ends up anything like their in-house desktops, it could be really nice.
    - macco 5y ago
      Do you have a source for that? This would really be a game changer. Unfortunately, you need a really great number of units, that building your own custom laptop hardware is feasible. I really which System76 success with that. I always thought, if Dell were smart, they would do their own Linux-based brand, where they would reuse parts from mainline Dell. Kind of how they produce gaming laptops.
      - commoner 5y ago
        In November 2019, System76 announced that it would start designing and developing laptops in-house starting January 2020. The development process was estimated to take 2-3 years. The first generation of System76’s in-house desktop line (Thelio) took over 2 years to develop. - Article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/11/20/system76-will-start-designing-and-building-its-own-linux-laptops-beginning-january-2020/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/11/20/syste... - HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21586422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21586422 If you have any suggestions for the laptop design, System76 is collecting feedback here: https://github.com/system76/laptop-suggestions https://github.com/system76/laptop-suggestions
        macco 5y ago
        Thx.
- dathinab 5y ago
  gnome =! gtk sure they are a bit more related then KDE and QT, still but the same at all
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    We all know that. I assure you. Gnome uses GTK and evidently Cosmic 2.0 will use GTK
    - mmstick76 5y ago
      GNOME uses Mutter+GJS, which is quite a bit different from GTK. But sure, GNOME applications are written in GTK.
- bluGill 5y ago
  Sure, but there are already a number of different desktops hurting for maintainers. There is a lot hardware that doesn't work great with my os (which might be a BSD) and I want them to fix that.
yobert 5y ago
I think you can assume they meant succeed at creating computers people love to use and selling them.
nine_k 5y ago
Hopefully not. Not re-implementing Gnome. Not re-implementing macOS which Gnome strives to imitate. OTOH I see the value of that: many people got used to macOS, and making things similar, and the cognitive load of switching low, makes business sense. Same as with Windows in early 2000s.
- bmarkovic 5y ago
  HackerNews is really a bubble sometimes. I don't get who the "many people" that "got used to macOS" are. Apple had fiery fest of sales in Q4 2021, outsold all Wintel manufacturers, let alone Chromebooks. And after that, guess what, they now have 8% of desktop/laptop market share, instead of 6% they used to have. You can guess who covers most of the other 90+ percent. Sent from my 2021 M1 Max MBP.
pantulis 5y ago
At making 2022 the year of Linux in the Desktop!
toastal 5y ago
They're one of the few players selling modern coreboot machines
LeFantome 5y ago
I have seen this comment a few times but basically half the desktop environments for Linux are GTK. So, using GTK does not equal “re-implementing Gnome”. I use Cinnamon with Manjaro - it is not GNOME but it is GTK. Unity was the same. MATE is old GNOME but quite different from new GNOME — still GTK though. XFCE, LXDE, and pretty much every popular DE outside KDE and FVWM2 is based on GTK. Choosing Rust has nothing to do with re-implementing GNOME either although I do like that choice. If nothing else, this ensures well tested Rust bindings and paves the way for devs to write other GTK apps in Rust—-perhaps even ones intended to target GNOME itself.
- johnny22 5y ago
  cinnamon uses enough gnome libraries to count as using re implementing gnome

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Selling lots of Linux-based hardware that they design in-house. > Re-implementing Gnome in Rust That seems a bit disingenuous. It's all still GTK.

azangru 5y ago
> lots of Linux-based hardware that they design in-house. Are their Clevo-based laptops designed in-house? If they are, why are they designed with such abysmal speakers, mediocre webcam and no attempt to go past the full-HD screen resolution? Why not design something cool like Framework?
- pkulak 5y ago
  Nope, I don't consider those in-house. They are working on an in-house laptop, and if it ends up anything like their in-house desktops, it could be really nice.
  - macco 5y ago
    Do you have a source for that? This would really be a game changer. Unfortunately, you need a really great number of units, that building your own custom laptop hardware is feasible. I really which System76 success with that. I always thought, if Dell were smart, they would do their own Linux-based brand, where they would reuse parts from mainline Dell. Kind of how they produce gaming laptops.
    - commoner 5y ago
      In November 2019, System76 announced that it would start designing and developing laptops in-house starting January 2020. The development process was estimated to take 2-3 years. The first generation of System76’s in-house desktop line (Thelio) took over 2 years to develop. - Article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/11/20/system76-will-start-designing-and-building-its-own-linux-laptops-beginning-january-2020/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/11/20/syste... - HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21586422 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21586422 If you have any suggestions for the laptop design, System76 is collecting feedback here: https://github.com/system76/laptop-suggestions https://github.com/system76/laptop-suggestions
      - macco 5y ago
        Thx.
dathinab 5y ago
gnome =! gtk sure they are a bit more related then KDE and QT, still but the same at all
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  We all know that. I assure you. Gnome uses GTK and evidently Cosmic 2.0 will use GTK
  - mmstick76 5y ago
    GNOME uses Mutter+GJS, which is quite a bit different from GTK. But sure, GNOME applications are written in GTK.
bluGill 5y ago
Sure, but there are already a number of different desktops hurting for maintainers. There is a lot hardware that doesn't work great with my os (which might be a BSD) and I want them to fix that.

yobert 5y ago

I think you can assume they meant succeed at creating computers people love to use and selling them.

nine_k 5y ago

Hopefully not. Not re-implementing Gnome. Not re-implementing macOS which Gnome strives to imitate. OTOH I see the value of that: many people got used to macOS, and making things similar, and the cognitive load of switching low, makes business sense. Same as with Windows in early 2000s.

bmarkovic 5y ago
HackerNews is really a bubble sometimes. I don't get who the "many people" that "got used to macOS" are. Apple had fiery fest of sales in Q4 2021, outsold all Wintel manufacturers, let alone Chromebooks. And after that, guess what, they now have 8% of desktop/laptop market share, instead of 6% they used to have. You can guess who covers most of the other 90+ percent. Sent from my 2021 M1 Max MBP.

pantulis 5y ago

At making 2022 the year of Linux in the Desktop!

toastal 5y ago

They're one of the few players selling modern coreboot machines

LeFantome 5y ago

I have seen this comment a few times but basically half the desktop environments for Linux are GTK. So, using GTK does not equal “re-implementing Gnome”. I use Cinnamon with Manjaro - it is not GNOME but it is GTK. Unity was the same. MATE is old GNOME but quite different from new GNOME — still GTK though. XFCE, LXDE, and pretty much every popular DE outside KDE and FVWM2 is based on GTK. Choosing Rust has nothing to do with re-implementing GNOME either although I do like that choice. If nothing else, this ensures well tested Rust bindings and paves the way for devs to write other GTK apps in Rust—-perhaps even ones intended to target GNOME itself.

johnny22 5y ago
cinnamon uses enough gnome libraries to count as using re implementing gnome