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Nice, exactly what Linux needs the most - another desktop environment! Sarcasm aside, it does look pretty good. But between indistinguishable window title bars

Nice, exactly what Linux needs the most - another desktop environment! Sarcasm aside, it does look pretty good. But between indistinguishable window title bars and yet another settings app (wanna bet it will miss some config so users wil still need to run one of the others?), I think I'll pass. As far as I'm concerned this problem was solved ages ago, so I simply don't understand why the designers keep mucking with it. Maybe I'm just getting old. :-/

azinman2 5y ago
Gotta keep up with the latest Apple designs! :)
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I for one would be satisfied to miss the Big-Sur-ification boat...
- phendrenad2 5y ago
  When they keep up with MacOS circa 2004 I'll rejoice.
capableweb 5y ago
> Nice, exactly what Linux needs the most - another desktop environment! One could argue that because no one desktop environment has taken over the Linux mindshare, we haven't invented the one yet, so people keep trying. It's not until something takes over the mindshare (like systemd did), we can all unity and start improving upon the same base.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  I'd argue that the battle over desktop environment supremacy leaves desktop Linux less compelling overall. There is so much choice that it's paralyzing and new users constantly second guess themselves. You have thousands of developers doing their own thing rather than working together to make mainstream choices like Gnome more viable.
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    Gnome doesn't want thousands of developers implementing their own visions for their projects and others don't want to donate their time to implementing gnomes vision. The proper thing for them all to do is all implement their own visions and people to use or work on what they please. Nobody asks why Tesla, Ford, and Toyota are wasting everyone's resources by being different company. Nobody suggests having different car manufacturers is paralyzing. Nobody opines that once the perfect car is invented we can just deprecate the rest because those would all be silly positions. The car market and computer uis are an evolving multidimensional entities whose evolving product lines are and have been dependant upon many parties pulling in different directions. It's like looking at only a duck and a pond and asking why the universe couldn't have just made a duck because it would be an ideal choice for that place and time. Of course it couldn't possibly work like that because arriving at that exact solution without intermediate steps would be impossible and besides the duck is no good in the desert or tundra. Also gnome is so flawed in so many ways from leaking memory due to unfixable mismatch between js and compiled code, to nonsensical handling of multiple desktops, to add-ons that both rely on monkey patching your desktop due to lack of addon api and can with a single crash kill your whole session, to hostility towards themeing, to ugly header bars, to hostility towards support for non gnome desktops. It is a worst in class solution.
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    - smoldesu 5y ago
      > Gnome doesn't want thousands of developers implementing their own visions for their projects and others don't want to donate their time to implementing gnomes vision. This is definitely looking more-and-more like the case. The GNOME team's insistence on cutting people out of their workflow has left them with less contributors... which leaves them with a worse desktop and a roadmap that's being pushed further-and-further back. Every GNOME contributor you meet will try to deny it, but it really has come to a boiling point over the last few months. There have been so many feature cuts, unaddressed issues, internal hostility and asinine workarounds (text is broken on native apps, so ship with Flatpak until we get it fixed! wait, Flatpak has more issues?) that I really struggle to have any respect for their leadership now. They're throwing out pieces of the plane to get it off the runway, and the complete lack of communication combined with their internal holier-than-thou social ethics has turned a transparent, thriving community of users into a miasma of apologists, skeptics and people who have never tried anything else.
- wmf 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure there will never be The One due to political and psychological factors. Many people use Linux specifically because there's isn't One way to do things.
anthk 5y ago
A lot of Windows users loathed Windows 8 and installed classic shell like crazy. And I'm sure zillions of people would pay in order to have a 3D like shell a la Windows 98, or Windows XP/Net theme for a more modern look.
keltor 5y ago
It "looks" good because so far all it is, is recreating GNOME running in PopOS while using the Rust GTK4 bindings.
- m0llusk 5y ago
  Actually, it looks good in part because it is styled with CSS which is not true of GNOME or PopOS.
  - Brain_Blasted 5y ago
    Not sure if you're being sarcastic here. GNOME Shell and GNOME apps are both styled with CSS. An example: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-weather/-/blob/master/data/application.css https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-weather/-/blob/master/d...

azinman2 5y ago

Gotta keep up with the latest Apple designs! :)

smoldesu 5y ago
I for one would be satisfied to miss the Big-Sur-ification boat...
phendrenad2 5y ago
When they keep up with MacOS circa 2004 I'll rejoice.

capableweb 5y ago

> Nice, exactly what Linux needs the most - another desktop environment! One could argue that because no one desktop environment has taken over the Linux mindshare, we haven't invented the one yet, so people keep trying. It's not until something takes over the mindshare (like systemd did), we can all unity and start improving upon the same base.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
I'd argue that the battle over desktop environment supremacy leaves desktop Linux less compelling overall. There is so much choice that it's paralyzing and new users constantly second guess themselves. You have thousands of developers doing their own thing rather than working together to make mainstream choices like Gnome more viable.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Gnome doesn't want thousands of developers implementing their own visions for their projects and others don't want to donate their time to implementing gnomes vision. The proper thing for them all to do is all implement their own visions and people to use or work on what they please. Nobody asks why Tesla, Ford, and Toyota are wasting everyone's resources by being different company. Nobody suggests having different car manufacturers is paralyzing. Nobody opines that once the perfect car is invented we can just deprecate the rest because those would all be silly positions. The car market and computer uis are an evolving multidimensional entities whose evolving product lines are and have been dependant upon many parties pulling in different directions. It's like looking at only a duck and a pond and asking why the universe couldn't have just made a duck because it would be an ideal choice for that place and time. Of course it couldn't possibly work like that because arriving at that exact solution without intermediate steps would be impossible and besides the duck is no good in the desert or tundra. Also gnome is so flawed in so many ways from leaking memory due to unfixable mismatch between js and compiled code, to nonsensical handling of multiple desktops, to add-ons that both rely on monkey patching your desktop due to lack of addon api and can with a single crash kill your whole session, to hostility towards themeing, to ugly header bars, to hostility towards support for non gnome desktops. It is a worst in class solution.
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  - smoldesu 5y ago
    > Gnome doesn't want thousands of developers implementing their own visions for their projects and others don't want to donate their time to implementing gnomes vision. This is definitely looking more-and-more like the case. The GNOME team's insistence on cutting people out of their workflow has left them with less contributors... which leaves them with a worse desktop and a roadmap that's being pushed further-and-further back. Every GNOME contributor you meet will try to deny it, but it really has come to a boiling point over the last few months. There have been so many feature cuts, unaddressed issues, internal hostility and asinine workarounds (text is broken on native apps, so ship with Flatpak until we get it fixed! wait, Flatpak has more issues?) that I really struggle to have any respect for their leadership now. They're throwing out pieces of the plane to get it off the runway, and the complete lack of communication combined with their internal holier-than-thou social ethics has turned a transparent, thriving community of users into a miasma of apologists, skeptics and people who have never tried anything else.
wmf 5y ago
I'm pretty sure there will never be The One due to political and psychological factors. Many people use Linux specifically because there's isn't One way to do things.

anthk 5y ago

A lot of Windows users loathed Windows 8 and installed classic shell like crazy. And I'm sure zillions of people would pay in order to have a 3D like shell a la Windows 98, or Windows XP/Net theme for a more modern look.

keltor 5y ago

It "looks" good because so far all it is, is recreating GNOME running in PopOS while using the Rust GTK4 bindings.

m0llusk 5y ago
Actually, it looks good in part because it is styled with CSS which is not true of GNOME or PopOS.
- Brain_Blasted 5y ago
  Not sure if you're being sarcastic here. GNOME Shell and GNOME apps are both styled with CSS. An example: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-weather/-/blob/master/data/application.css https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-weather/-/blob/master/d...