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So the idea of "Russkiy mir", USSR falling apart being a "_geopolitical_ catastrophe" (only an imperialist would say something like that), USSR in general being

So the idea of "Russkiy mir", USSR falling apart being a "_geopolitical_ catastrophe" (only an imperialist would say something like that), USSR in general being viewed positively by the media, its every act of imperialism like Prague Spring, or the attempt to keep Latvia in the USSR viewed exclusively positively in "documentaries", even positive coverage of the imperialism of the Russian empire (the Great Game) and so on, propagandists saying things from that point of view, and attacking the "straw-men" propagandists who said something against, Putin insisting that Russians and Ukrainians are one and the same ( https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-oliver-stone-europe-russia-ukraine-3fe3ff2299994fae97825381765b831c https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-oliver-stone-europe... ), Medvedev denying the legitimacy of the Ukrainian state ( https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/10/11/russia-shouldnt-negotiate-with-vassal-ukraine-ex-president-medvedev-says-a75263 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/10/11/russia-shouldnt-ne... ) are not all imperialistic narrative for you? In general if you turn on Russian news, almost every sentence said reeks of imperialism, imperialistic assumptions one way or another. If you don't notice that, I can't help you. Sorry.

shashurup 5y ago
The reason why any state tries to present its history in a positive light is a different question. Good things are exaggerated, bad things are smoothed over. The states doing the opposite just doesn't live long. Being positive about USSR and Russian empire and pushing the idea of restoring it are pretty different things. There are no ideas such as rebuilding USSR (or Russian empire) pushed by local media. > even positive coverage of the imperialism of the Russian empire (the Great Game) What is wrong with empires by then? This was the way thing worked in 19th century. Are we supposed to condemn that? If yes, was, for instance, feudalism any better?
- timeon 5y ago
  > The reason why any state tries to present its history in a positive light is a different question. Good things are exaggerated, bad things are smoothed over. The states doing the opposite just doesn't live long. But this is not really present in many countries.
- nullifidian 5y ago
  >Good things are exaggerated, bad things are smoothed over. They present bad things(imperialism) as good things. Today. >What is wrong with empires by then? It's like asking what's wrong with slavery or serfdom in the 19th century. >Are we supposed to condemn that? Maybe not present it at prime time on TV, in a way that tells the audience that Russian/Soviet imperialism was a great thing, was sorely needed, and today's actions are a continuation of these great deeds, right before the "news" segment with its usual "these westerners are out to get our poor "Russki Mir"?
  - shashurup 5y ago
    > Maybe not present it at prime time on TV, in a way that tells the audience that Russian/Soviet imperialism was a great thing, was sorely needed, and today's actions are a continuation of these great deeds, right before the "news" segment with its usual "these westerners are out to get our poor "Russki Mir"? Could you share an example of "today's actions are a continuation of these great deeds"? I do see USSR and even empire times nostalgy, but it is just a nostalgy, nothing else. > They present bad things(imperialism) as good things. Today. I don't see that happening. Since you state that this is a part of the state propaganda these ideas must be pretty widespread, but I cannot confirm that. > It's like asking what's wrong with slavery or serfdom in the 19th century. AFAIK in 19th century British empire dominated the world. So what? I don't quite get your idea of labeling 19th century imperialism bad. They could do better? Probably. It is meaninless to discuss this from a 21th century man's perspective. > in a way that tells the audience that Russian/Soviet imperialism was a great thing I would disagree. Soviet "imperialism" was always backwards, everybody was tooking advantage of it, except russians themselves.

shashurup 5y ago

The reason why any state tries to present its history in a positive light is a different question. Good things are exaggerated, bad things are smoothed over. The states doing the opposite just doesn't live long. Being positive about USSR and Russian empire and pushing the idea of restoring it are pretty different things. There are no ideas such as rebuilding USSR (or Russian empire) pushed by local media. > even positive coverage of the imperialism of the Russian empire (the Great Game) What is wrong with empires by then? This was the way thing worked in 19th century. Are we supposed to condemn that? If yes, was, for instance, feudalism any better?

timeon 5y ago
> The reason why any state tries to present its history in a positive light is a different question. Good things are exaggerated, bad things are smoothed over. The states doing the opposite just doesn't live long. But this is not really present in many countries.
nullifidian 5y ago
>Good things are exaggerated, bad things are smoothed over. They present bad things(imperialism) as good things. Today. >What is wrong with empires by then? It's like asking what's wrong with slavery or serfdom in the 19th century. >Are we supposed to condemn that? Maybe not present it at prime time on TV, in a way that tells the audience that Russian/Soviet imperialism was a great thing, was sorely needed, and today's actions are a continuation of these great deeds, right before the "news" segment with its usual "these westerners are out to get our poor "Russki Mir"?
- shashurup 5y ago
  > Maybe not present it at prime time on TV, in a way that tells the audience that Russian/Soviet imperialism was a great thing, was sorely needed, and today's actions are a continuation of these great deeds, right before the "news" segment with its usual "these westerners are out to get our poor "Russki Mir"? Could you share an example of "today's actions are a continuation of these great deeds"? I do see USSR and even empire times nostalgy, but it is just a nostalgy, nothing else. > They present bad things(imperialism) as good things. Today. I don't see that happening. Since you state that this is a part of the state propaganda these ideas must be pretty widespread, but I cannot confirm that. > It's like asking what's wrong with slavery or serfdom in the 19th century. AFAIK in 19th century British empire dominated the world. So what? I don't quite get your idea of labeling 19th century imperialism bad. They could do better? Probably. It is meaninless to discuss this from a 21th century man's perspective. > in a way that tells the audience that Russian/Soviet imperialism was a great thing I would disagree. Soviet "imperialism" was always backwards, everybody was tooking advantage of it, except russians themselves.