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> 2. Which boot camp? How many people ended up like your daughter? How much was it? Without these facts no comparison can be made. Plenty of coding bootcamps h

> 2. Which boot camp? How many people ended up like your daughter? How much was it? Without these facts no comparison can be made. Plenty of coding bootcamps have great placement rates and great salaries. For example, the median salary at Boston's Launch academy is $72k. The median salary for Fullstack Academy Grace Hopper in NY is $90k. https://static.spacecrafted.com/b13328575ece40d8853472b9e0cf2047/r/f61982b609e0411e899aba1da57acdfc/1/Fullstack%20Academy%20New%20York%20City%20Grace%20Hopper%20H1%202019.pdf https://static.spacecrafted.com/b13328575ece40d8853472b9e0cf... https://static.spacecrafted.com/b13328575ece40d8853472b9e0cf2047/r/e006bca9407449e5a38d863fe0363bab/1/Launch%20Academy%20Boston%20Web%20Development%20H2%202020.pdf https://static.spacecrafted.com/b13328575ece40d8853472b9e0cf... This organization verifies outcomes independently: https://cirr.org/data https://cirr.org/data I know several people who have gone to both of these, the data is legit, that's the outcome I saw from the graduating class. > 3. Some colleges perhaps, smart people can get full scholarships and even without that community college plus a cheap state school isn’t expensive. Link to your study? Did these people not go to college? Even "cheap" state schools aren't so cheap https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college We're still talking on average $25k/year. But that depends heavily on the state. In some states, you pay $14k in others $30k. Either way. Not cheap. The rise in cost has been amazing: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_320.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_320.asp In the 1960s total tuition + room + board inflation corrected was only $1000!

endisneigh 5y ago
2. Your stats are incomplete- how many of these people already have degrees? What’s the breakdown between that and wages? What’s the median pay for college graduates who go into the same professions? 3. Not cheap compared to what exactly? College graduates generally get paid more money over the lifetime.
- wheelinsupial 5y ago
  Not perfect, but it’s the only attempt I’ve seen to try and answer the question about pre-boot camp education. https://www.coursereport.com/reports/2020-coding-bootcamp-alumni-outcomes-demographics-report-during-covid-19 https://www.coursereport.com/reports/2020-coding-bootcamp-al... (Difficult to read on mobile) This shows that 1% have no high school diploma, 5% have graduated high school and the remaining 94% have gone to or graduated from college. 15% have 1-4 years of college and no degree, 6% an associates, 55% a bachelor’s, 16% have a masters, 1% doctorate, 1% a professional degree. Data from 2018,2019,2020 is collected from the surveys. Average Wages: No college degree: $61,836 Associates: $57,762 Bachelor: $71,267 Masters: $74,774 Professional: $66,619 Doctorate: $83,250 Not clear if this is the first job only or if this includes the results of second and third jobs. There is a section showing average wages for first job is $69,079 and average wage for third job is $99,229. Also 15% of the graduates have never been employed from the boot camps. (16% for 2018 grads, 15% for 2019 grads, and 37% for 2020 grads.) There are a lot of other insights in there as well. Unfortunately the reporting doesn’t generally show quantiles or other information about the spread in wages. There are a few results where mean and median are shown. As it’s a survey and self-reported there are always going to be some limitations. If others have alternative data to offer up, please share!

endisneigh 5y ago

2. Your stats are incomplete- how many of these people already have degrees? What’s the breakdown between that and wages? What’s the median pay for college graduates who go into the same professions? 3. Not cheap compared to what exactly? College graduates generally get paid more money over the lifetime.

wheelinsupial 5y ago
Not perfect, but it’s the only attempt I’ve seen to try and answer the question about pre-boot camp education. https://www.coursereport.com/reports/2020-coding-bootcamp-alumni-outcomes-demographics-report-during-covid-19 https://www.coursereport.com/reports/2020-coding-bootcamp-al... (Difficult to read on mobile) This shows that 1% have no high school diploma, 5% have graduated high school and the remaining 94% have gone to or graduated from college. 15% have 1-4 years of college and no degree, 6% an associates, 55% a bachelor’s, 16% have a masters, 1% doctorate, 1% a professional degree. Data from 2018,2019,2020 is collected from the surveys. Average Wages: No college degree: $61,836 Associates: $57,762 Bachelor: $71,267 Masters: $74,774 Professional: $66,619 Doctorate: $83,250 Not clear if this is the first job only or if this includes the results of second and third jobs. There is a section showing average wages for first job is $69,079 and average wage for third job is $99,229. Also 15% of the graduates have never been employed from the boot camps. (16% for 2018 grads, 15% for 2019 grads, and 37% for 2020 grads.) There are a lot of other insights in there as well. Unfortunately the reporting doesn’t generally show quantiles or other information about the spread in wages. There are a few results where mean and median are shown. As it’s a survey and self-reported there are always going to be some limitations. If others have alternative data to offer up, please share!