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I'm not surprised at all - people with degrees try to find reasons to think they're better then the rest. 1. Many trades also are your own business, and can im

I'm not surprised at all - people with degrees try to find reasons to think they're better then the rest. 1. Many trades also are your own business, and can immediately scale for income - many plumbers, electricians, etc are millionaires with a small team of employees less than 15. 2. Google offers free marketing certification for this reason as well, it's not impossible for marketing/seo people to make 100k annually. It's very, very common. 3. Many colleges are not worth it and is debt- look at most state schools and you'd see a semester costs minimum $45,000. Yes there's community colleges. 4. Even community colleges require loans, and have programs of financial aid that is really "apply for fafsa, apply for stanford loans and then have pipelines for private debt.

endisneigh 5y ago
1. You can also start your own business with a college degree. Let’s compare like for like here. 2. Where are the stats? 3. Sure, many colleges are worth it too. State schools don’t cost 45k a semester. Don’t know how you can spread misinformation. 4. Community college can be very cheap, it depends on where you are and how poor you are so it’s hard to draw broad strokes here.
- indymike 5y ago
  > 1. You can also start your own business with a college degree. Let’s compare like for like here. A degree is not required at all to start a business. Evidence: Microsoft, Dell.
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emaginniss 5y ago
You're way off on 3. You're saying that tuition alone at a state school costs $45k per semester, which would be $90k per year. This site says that the average in-state public school is ~$25k all-in for a year. That includes tuition, room and board, books and transportation. https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-college https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-c...
- rootsudo 5y ago
  That is not accurate at all https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees 56k 9 months. https://www.ohio.edu/financial-aid/cost https://www.ohio.edu/financial-aid/cost 34k 9 months 9 months is considered 2 semesters. per semester. wouldn't consider ohio personally though. but beats your average by a good 30%. Not sure where it can get cheaper than Ohio.
  - rkk3 5y ago
    But those are for out of state students. By your own links... UCLA is ~36k all-in / per academic year for in state students Ohio is ~24k all in / per academic year for in state students It's not cheap or something you can cover on a part time job anymore but its nowhere near the numbers you are citing.
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    Is that meant to support your earlier claim that “most state schools...a semester costs minimum $45,000”?
  - lapsedacademic 5y ago
    > Not sure where it can get cheaper than Ohio. Apparently lots of places, since the national average is substantially lower than the Ohio numbers. But, more importantly, both UCLA and Ohio University are flagship R1s. Likely literally every other public university in Ohio is cheaper than OU, and I'd be unsurprised if UCLA is one of the more expensive public options in CA (wouldn't know, never lived in CA). e: sure enough, the total cost at Youngstown State is 22K (tuition 10K, the rest is food and housing). As an aside, including room and board in college prices always struck me as a bit odd (except in cases where living in a dorm is required, I guess, but that's somewhat rare). Do non-college-students not eat/drink/sleep? Colleges/Universities and expensive enough and screwed up enough that exaggeration isn't necessary.
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      Ohio State is an R1. Ohio is an R2.
selimthegrim 5y ago
Stafford loans are not a thing anymore since 2010.

endisneigh 5y ago

1. You can also start your own business with a college degree. Let’s compare like for like here. 2. Where are the stats? 3. Sure, many colleges are worth it too. State schools don’t cost 45k a semester. Don’t know how you can spread misinformation. 4. Community college can be very cheap, it depends on where you are and how poor you are so it’s hard to draw broad strokes here.

indymike 5y ago
> 1. You can also start your own business with a college degree. Let’s compare like for like here. A degree is not required at all to start a business. Evidence: Microsoft, Dell.

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emaginniss 5y ago

You're way off on 3. You're saying that tuition alone at a state school costs $45k per semester, which would be $90k per year. This site says that the average in-state public school is ~$25k all-in for a year. That includes tuition, room and board, books and transportation. https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-college https://www.valuepenguin.com/student-loans/average-cost-of-c...

rootsudo 5y ago
That is not accurate at all https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees https://admission.ucla.edu/tuition-aid/tuition-fees 56k 9 months. https://www.ohio.edu/financial-aid/cost https://www.ohio.edu/financial-aid/cost 34k 9 months 9 months is considered 2 semesters. per semester. wouldn't consider ohio personally though. but beats your average by a good 30%. Not sure where it can get cheaper than Ohio.
- rkk3 5y ago
  But those are for out of state students. By your own links... UCLA is ~36k all-in / per academic year for in state students Ohio is ~24k all in / per academic year for in state students It's not cheap or something you can cover on a part time job anymore but its nowhere near the numbers you are citing.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  Is that meant to support your earlier claim that “most state schools...a semester costs minimum $45,000”?
- lapsedacademic 5y ago
  > Not sure where it can get cheaper than Ohio. Apparently lots of places, since the national average is substantially lower than the Ohio numbers. But, more importantly, both UCLA and Ohio University are flagship R1s. Likely literally every other public university in Ohio is cheaper than OU, and I'd be unsurprised if UCLA is one of the more expensive public options in CA (wouldn't know, never lived in CA). e: sure enough, the total cost at Youngstown State is 22K (tuition 10K, the rest is food and housing). As an aside, including room and board in college prices always struck me as a bit odd (except in cases where living in a dorm is required, I guess, but that's somewhat rare). Do non-college-students not eat/drink/sleep? Colleges/Universities and expensive enough and screwed up enough that exaggeration isn't necessary.
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    Ohio State is an R1. Ohio is an R2.

selimthegrim 5y ago

Stafford loans are not a thing anymore since 2010.