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> A substantially higher proportion of Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18. Is this true? I got a job as soon as I was legally al

> A substantially higher proportion of Americans obtain a bachelors degree than have a job before age 18. Is this true? I got a job as soon as I was legally allowed to and so did every one of my friends in high school. Where I'm from you were seen as kind of a loser if you didn't work over the summer, at least. I'd guess it was something like 90% of kids at my school worked at some point in high school. Edit: Here's a chart [0]. These numbers are much smaller than I expected (although keep in mind this is a snapshot, not the percentage who at any point in high school will have had a job), but what's really surprising is that the number of high school kids working has collapsed since I was in high school. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/477668/percentage-of-youth-who-are-enrolled-in-school-and-working-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/477668/percentage-of-you...

rurp 5y ago
Interesting. I'm also surprised by those numbers. I had a job in high school and so did most of my friends. Maybe not 90% of them, but I'm sure it was >60% of people I knew.
- ghaff 5y ago
  Here's something more detailed from BLS. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/article/teen-labor-force-participation-before-and-after-the-great-recession.htm https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/article/teen-labor-force-p... It suggests the difference is more teens in school. One can also imagine more focus on extracurriculars etc. within a certain demographic over a job flipping burgers.
nathanyz 5y ago
Wonder what the cause is for the drop off from ~30% to under 20%? Speculation but maybe boomer money allows their kids not to need to work as much as past.
- jacobolus 5y ago
  Or more competition from older workers for entry-level service jobs, after the 2008 recession.
- dionidium 5y ago
  Maybe it's whatever is causing a more general decline in labor force participation? https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1481468372911116295 https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1481468372911116295
  - jacobolus 5y ago
    The 2008 recession apparently caused a precipitous ~7% drop in 25–54 year-old male labor participation rate, and it took about a decade to almost recover, then nosedived again during the pandemic. It has substantially recovered since the pandemic low, but we’ll have to wait to see whether it ever recovers to 2007 levels. It’s clear the initial government response to the great recession was too little, too slow, and insufficiently directed toward working people. Blame GOP senators and the Bush II White House. Overall the US has seen a half-century of flatlining wages, massive growth in executive compensation, substantial decline of unions, financialization of many industries, business consolidation greatly reducing competition throughout the economy, outsourcing of many kinds of jobs, relaxation of labor laws, hollowing out and regulatory capture of federal agencies, an almost complete elimination of any limits on corporate/wealthy campaign funding, massive cost increases for housing and healthcare and education, etc. Not really surprising that constantly empowering capital at the expense of labor for decades leads to long-term structural problems. * * * As an aside, it would be very helpful if these labor participation rates were broken down by age in smaller buckets. Such large buckets make it hard to disentangle demographic factors from changes for each age group.

rurp 5y ago

Interesting. I'm also surprised by those numbers. I had a job in high school and so did most of my friends. Maybe not 90% of them, but I'm sure it was >60% of people I knew.

ghaff 5y ago
Here's something more detailed from BLS. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/article/teen-labor-force-participation-before-and-after-the-great-recession.htm https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2017/article/teen-labor-force-p... It suggests the difference is more teens in school. One can also imagine more focus on extracurriculars etc. within a certain demographic over a job flipping burgers.

nathanyz 5y ago

Wonder what the cause is for the drop off from ~30% to under 20%? Speculation but maybe boomer money allows their kids not to need to work as much as past.

jacobolus 5y ago
Or more competition from older workers for entry-level service jobs, after the 2008 recession.
dionidium 5y ago
Maybe it's whatever is causing a more general decline in labor force participation? https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1481468372911116295 https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1481468372911116295
- jacobolus 5y ago
  The 2008 recession apparently caused a precipitous ~7% drop in 25–54 year-old male labor participation rate, and it took about a decade to almost recover, then nosedived again during the pandemic. It has substantially recovered since the pandemic low, but we’ll have to wait to see whether it ever recovers to 2007 levels. It’s clear the initial government response to the great recession was too little, too slow, and insufficiently directed toward working people. Blame GOP senators and the Bush II White House. Overall the US has seen a half-century of flatlining wages, massive growth in executive compensation, substantial decline of unions, financialization of many industries, business consolidation greatly reducing competition throughout the economy, outsourcing of many kinds of jobs, relaxation of labor laws, hollowing out and regulatory capture of federal agencies, an almost complete elimination of any limits on corporate/wealthy campaign funding, massive cost increases for housing and healthcare and education, etc. Not really surprising that constantly empowering capital at the expense of labor for decades leads to long-term structural problems. * * * As an aside, it would be very helpful if these labor participation rates were broken down by age in smaller buckets. Such large buckets make it hard to disentangle demographic factors from changes for each age group.