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That's 100% what people are missing. I lived in NYC till 2021. It's a global city, unlike SF, where COVID hit early and hard. It's a highly concentrated city a

That's 100% what people are missing. I lived in NYC till 2021. It's a global city, unlike SF, where COVID hit early and hard. It's a highly concentrated city as well, that few other places can rival. It's not a car town, that forces people closer. By all oranges to oranges comparison - Bay Area isn't a standout.

biztos 5y ago
> a highly concentrated city as well, that few other places can rival If you mean population density, New York isn't even particularly competitive once you get out of the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_cities_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_cities_by_popula... I lived for 8 years in SF without once driving a car, so I'm not sure what the "car town" thing means in this case. And yes NYC is a global city but not more than LA is. Per the NYT, LA had 277 deaths per 100K and NYC had 435. Not sure what the argument is here.
- dh5 5y ago
  If you just count Manhattan at ~70,000 / sq mi it's certainly up there in terms of population density. The outer boroughs (and Staten Island specifically) pull down the average quite a bit.
jacobolus 5y ago
Covid didn’t “hit early and hard” in the Bay Area because people and government in the Bay Area took (relative to the US) strong, fast countermeasures. Before that we were on track to be similar to NYC but a couple weeks behind. NYC got unlucky being the first place in the US with significant spread (and being a dense, transit-dependent city), but local and state government also severely fucked up the initial response, reacting too slowly and not aggressively enough (e.g. if NYC schools had closed a few weeks earlier, it would have saved a huge number of residents’ lives, but the mayor was afraid closing schools would make him look bad). And NYC in 2020 could have easily been twice as bad as it was, if it had reacted even later than it did. The lesson here is that public health response matters, public health officials should be empowered, and political leaders should act as fast as possible instead of dithering around and trying to pass blame.

biztos 5y ago

> a highly concentrated city as well, that few other places can rival If you mean population density, New York isn't even particularly competitive once you get out of the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_cities_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_cities_by_popula... I lived for 8 years in SF without once driving a car, so I'm not sure what the "car town" thing means in this case. And yes NYC is a global city but not more than LA is. Per the NYT, LA had 277 deaths per 100K and NYC had 435. Not sure what the argument is here.

dh5 5y ago
If you just count Manhattan at ~70,000 / sq mi it's certainly up there in terms of population density. The outer boroughs (and Staten Island specifically) pull down the average quite a bit.

jacobolus 5y ago

Covid didn’t “hit early and hard” in the Bay Area because people and government in the Bay Area took (relative to the US) strong, fast countermeasures. Before that we were on track to be similar to NYC but a couple weeks behind. NYC got unlucky being the first place in the US with significant spread (and being a dense, transit-dependent city), but local and state government also severely fucked up the initial response, reacting too slowly and not aggressively enough (e.g. if NYC schools had closed a few weeks earlier, it would have saved a huge number of residents’ lives, but the mayor was afraid closing schools would make him look bad). And NYC in 2020 could have easily been twice as bad as it was, if it had reacted even later than it did. The lesson here is that public health response matters, public health officials should be empowered, and political leaders should act as fast as possible instead of dithering around and trying to pass blame.