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It's fascinating to me that Donald Trump's message was horrifying, but when biden's message is just the same, we're totally ready to ignore this because it's ju

It's fascinating to me that Donald Trump's message was horrifying, but when biden's message is just the same, we're totally ready to ignore this because it's just the flu and the economy is more important than our lives.

hprotagonist 5y ago
change the facts, change the outcome: 85% of my state and 99% of my city is vaccinated; death rates and case rates are rapidly decoupling. No fuss from me about wearing a mask, but my risk calculus adjusts as a function of my situation, and my situation in january 2022 is not even close to what it was in march 2020. It was obvious as early as April 2020 that the pipe dream of "contain and extinguish" was never going to come to pass, and that the only likely endgame was that SARS-CoV-2 or a variant of it would become endemic and relatively nonfatal. You cannot realistically eradicate a disease when you're infectious 48 hours before you're symptomatic, so you buckle down and hang tight until therapies and vaccines become available; then you get those things, deploy them at as wide a scale as you possibly can; then you ease up. We did, and we did, so now we are.
belltaco 5y ago
It's only fascinating if you ignore the huge differences like widespread availability of safe and effective vaccines, omicron vs. original strain etc.
sleepysysadmin 5y ago
>It's fascinating to me that Donald Trump's message was horrifying, but when biden's message is just the same, we're totally ready to ignore this because it's just the flu and the economy is more important than our lives. Covid response has been entirely 100% political. Medicine/Science was never involved. The division of lockdown or not to lockdown, wearing masks, etc. These have all came down nearly perfectly along political lines in many countries. It shouldn't be like that at all. There should be lots of right-wingers who gladly wear a mask and get locked down. There should be lots of left-wingers who would not. It was also not risk assessment. If you are under 50, the risk of covid was always known to be far less than the flu. Meanwhile people who were scared shitless of covid are also the cigar smoking, drunk driving, 100km/h in a 30km/h school zone type people. I'm pretty sure it has everything to do with yellow journalism. The yellow journalists have convinced their filter bubble group that covid is far worse than it ever was considered to be. https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat... For unvaccinated hospitalization risk, 2% of Democrats responded correctly, compared with 16% of Republicans. In fact, 41% of Democrats replied that at least 50% of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized due to COVID-19. Let's put it more accurately. 98% of democrats answered wrong with higher risk than is in reality. There is a <1% chance of hospitalization with covid if you're unvaccinated. It's all political and the political divide in the USA has never been wider.

hprotagonist 5y ago

change the facts, change the outcome: 85% of my state and 99% of my city is vaccinated; death rates and case rates are rapidly decoupling. No fuss from me about wearing a mask, but my risk calculus adjusts as a function of my situation, and my situation in january 2022 is not even close to what it was in march 2020. It was obvious as early as April 2020 that the pipe dream of "contain and extinguish" was never going to come to pass, and that the only likely endgame was that SARS-CoV-2 or a variant of it would become endemic and relatively nonfatal. You cannot realistically eradicate a disease when you're infectious 48 hours before you're symptomatic, so you buckle down and hang tight until therapies and vaccines become available; then you get those things, deploy them at as wide a scale as you possibly can; then you ease up. We did, and we did, so now we are.

belltaco 5y ago

It's only fascinating if you ignore the huge differences like widespread availability of safe and effective vaccines, omicron vs. original strain etc.

sleepysysadmin 5y ago

>It's fascinating to me that Donald Trump's message was horrifying, but when biden's message is just the same, we're totally ready to ignore this because it's just the flu and the economy is more important than our lives. Covid response has been entirely 100% political. Medicine/Science was never involved. The division of lockdown or not to lockdown, wearing masks, etc. These have all came down nearly perfectly along political lines in many countries. It shouldn't be like that at all. There should be lots of right-wingers who gladly wear a mask and get locked down. There should be lots of left-wingers who would not. It was also not risk assessment. If you are under 50, the risk of covid was always known to be far less than the flu. Meanwhile people who were scared shitless of covid are also the cigar smoking, drunk driving, 100km/h in a 30km/h school zone type people. I'm pretty sure it has everything to do with yellow journalism. The yellow journalists have convinced their filter bubble group that covid is far worse than it ever was considered to be. https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat... For unvaccinated hospitalization risk, 2% of Democrats responded correctly, compared with 16% of Republicans. In fact, 41% of Democrats replied that at least 50% of unvaccinated people have been hospitalized due to COVID-19. Let's put it more accurately. 98% of democrats answered wrong with higher risk than is in reality. There is a <1% chance of hospitalization with covid if you're unvaccinated. It's all political and the political divide in the USA has never been wider.