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1. School loans are not dismissable in bankruptcy. This is only shared with criminal monetary punishments. 2. Interest is charged, which is abhorrent at any ra

1. School loans are not dismissable in bankruptcy. This is only shared with criminal monetary punishments. 2. Interest is charged, which is abhorrent at any rate. Especially the 8%. 3. PPP "loans" to the tune of almost 1t$.. which were forgiven. Just run a few sham job ads for software engineers at 10$/hr and NobOdy wAnTS tO wOrk! 4. University doesn't really provide job skills. They allude to, but then say they dont. 5. Jobs say they need a degree, but that's primarily due to https://www.naacpldf.org/case-issue/griggs-v-duke-power-co/ https://www.naacpldf.org/case-issue/griggs-v-duke-power-co/ and easier to exclude black people with a 'degree'. 6. Most programs do NOT need expensive schools, labs, etc. Non-lab based classes can easily get by online. 7. School costs are stupid, because "Its what the market will bear" 8. Even public higher ed schools are stupid priced, because the public aspect has been surely ripped away from them. 9. Even if you DO go, you're guaranteed only one thing: undismissable debt. I failed out due to medical reasons. I have the debt, and no degree to show for it. As a millenial, higher ed is a bad bargain. And if you're younger, DO NOT LET HIGH SCHOOL threaten you with "if you dont go to school you will work as a grocery bagger for the rest of your life". Teach yourself IT. Get into an area, double down, learn it inside and out. Find a few hot tech areas. Learn them well. And off you go.

endisneigh 5y ago
I love how the solution is always to do tech. What about the other things?
- renewiltord 5y ago
  Well, the other things are likely not worth it. You can tell because they try to hide outcomes from prospective students. The things that will yield good outcome for an individual all lead with the outcome. The things that don't always lead with some sort of identity-nonsense: "You will be a well-rounded individual" but don't actually show the median example of this well-rounded individual post-degree.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    Really? Tech is the only career that’s likely worth it?
- noasaservice 5y ago
  CS and IT have very low barriers of entry. Hardware is cheap, especially if going back a gen or 2. Software is free if open source'ing it. Piracy is also cheap too. Books and resources are plentiful, and predominantly cost time to experiment and do. And you can get hold of the developers pretty easy in open source, or dev with them. Science has costy expensive lab equipment, knowledge is less shared and more guarded for their guild, people are harder to get to. Engineering, depending on discipline, isn't even legal to teach yourself (professional engineer). Or it requires more expensive lab equipment in the ranges of 10's of thousands (think good oscilloscope, signal generator, rf anything). It's possible but really hard. Math is possibly just as 'easy' as CS/IT. However, it's a super elite group. They have their own in-language that's near impenetrable for outsiders. And the people who excel are not at all easy to get in contact with. Outside of STEM, there's other possible avenues. But given that Marx said that a capitalist society trends towards money-making activities in mathematics, science, and technology (STEM), the other avenues are probabilistically a bad bet. And yea, that sucks. But we also like to have enough money to live and enjoy life.

endisneigh 5y ago

I love how the solution is always to do tech. What about the other things?

renewiltord 5y ago
Well, the other things are likely not worth it. You can tell because they try to hide outcomes from prospective students. The things that will yield good outcome for an individual all lead with the outcome. The things that don't always lead with some sort of identity-nonsense: "You will be a well-rounded individual" but don't actually show the median example of this well-rounded individual post-degree.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Really? Tech is the only career that’s likely worth it?
noasaservice 5y ago
CS and IT have very low barriers of entry. Hardware is cheap, especially if going back a gen or 2. Software is free if open source'ing it. Piracy is also cheap too. Books and resources are plentiful, and predominantly cost time to experiment and do. And you can get hold of the developers pretty easy in open source, or dev with them. Science has costy expensive lab equipment, knowledge is less shared and more guarded for their guild, people are harder to get to. Engineering, depending on discipline, isn't even legal to teach yourself (professional engineer). Or it requires more expensive lab equipment in the ranges of 10's of thousands (think good oscilloscope, signal generator, rf anything). It's possible but really hard. Math is possibly just as 'easy' as CS/IT. However, it's a super elite group. They have their own in-language that's near impenetrable for outsiders. And the people who excel are not at all easy to get in contact with. Outside of STEM, there's other possible avenues. But given that Marx said that a capitalist society trends towards money-making activities in mathematics, science, and technology (STEM), the other avenues are probabilistically a bad bet. And yea, that sucks. But we also like to have enough money to live and enjoy life.