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Hmm really not agreeing here. It's gonna be a huge deal breaker for many talented devs. 1-2 days a week in office sure, but more than that? You will lose a lot

Hmm really not agreeing here. It's gonna be a huge deal breaker for many talented devs. 1-2 days a week in office sure, but more than that? You will lose a lot of people for very little gains.

rootusrootus 5y ago
Sure, right now, I think you're right. But I don't think the leverage will last. And I expect there to be a bifurcation between what you can earn remotely and what you can get if you're willing to come into the office, and that will bring a number of people back into the office as well. I think we will see a permanent increase in remote work, but I don't think the level we see now will persist for more than a couple years.
- weatherlite 5y ago
  Why not? What was so great about the old way of doing things? I can't really see the advantages. Hybrid + fully remote sounds much more sensible to me but maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Consider that each year that passes we get more used to the new way; even middle management who have incentive for things to go back to the way there were - even they are probably starting to appreciate no commute and not having to work in crowded open space every day. Now a fully remote company is something else, that's probably hard to do. But hybrid together with a certain percentage of fully remote workers makes a lot of sense to me.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    I've worked at a company for a while who has had hybrid onsite/remote teams for many years. If you're remote, you accept the career limitation. The people who want more money, more promotions, more everything -- they show up at the office. It's pretty easy to forget about the remote folks when in-office discussions and decisions are made. It's not great, but it's just a simple reality that plays out no matter how hard people try to work around it. This is why I won't work remotely for a company that does hybrid teams. I will only work on a team that is fully remote, or one that is local enough to me that I'm part of the in-office crowd.
    - weatherlite 5y ago
      Could be, everyone makes their own calculations.

Hmm really not agreeing here. It's gonna be a huge deal breaker for many talented devs. 1-2 days a week in office sure, but more than that? You will lose a lot of people for very little gains.

rootusrootus 5y ago

Sure, right now, I think you're right. But I don't think the leverage will last. And I expect there to be a bifurcation between what you can earn remotely and what you can get if you're willing to come into the office, and that will bring a number of people back into the office as well. I think we will see a permanent increase in remote work, but I don't think the level we see now will persist for more than a couple years.

weatherlite 5y ago
Why not? What was so great about the old way of doing things? I can't really see the advantages. Hybrid + fully remote sounds much more sensible to me but maybe I'm looking at it wrong. Consider that each year that passes we get more used to the new way; even middle management who have incentive for things to go back to the way there were - even they are probably starting to appreciate no commute and not having to work in crowded open space every day. Now a fully remote company is something else, that's probably hard to do. But hybrid together with a certain percentage of fully remote workers makes a lot of sense to me.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  I've worked at a company for a while who has had hybrid onsite/remote teams for many years. If you're remote, you accept the career limitation. The people who want more money, more promotions, more everything -- they show up at the office. It's pretty easy to forget about the remote folks when in-office discussions and decisions are made. It's not great, but it's just a simple reality that plays out no matter how hard people try to work around it. This is why I won't work remotely for a company that does hybrid teams. I will only work on a team that is fully remote, or one that is local enough to me that I'm part of the in-office crowd.
  - weatherlite 5y ago
    Could be, everyone makes their own calculations.