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Can somebody verify, if this is antivax propaganda?

by m4l3x 5y ago

codeptualize 5y ago
It certainly looks like it. From what I can see VAERS data is just reports, you cannot state that the things reported are caused by the vaccine or just happened after getting the vaccine. Anyone can report to it, there is no checking or anything. It's useful as input for further research, but making conclusions based on it seems just wrong.
astroid 5y ago
In my opinion, it is not. I am vaccinated and I used this site to make sure my batch wasn't 'bad' before getting the injection. Regardless of how you feel about vaccines, 95% of the bad reactions are linked to 5% of the batches. I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but on the surface at least that seems to suggest a manufacturing or quality control issue that may have been missed. Actually taking a closer look it was a different URL I used, but the same software to make sure I was making the safest most informed decision I was able to. I think the author posted the code somewhere too and open sourced it (I don't have a link as I'm not affiliated, just happy someone built this). So from my perspective this is an interesting data analysis project, an interesting observation on manufacturing processes, and enables people to more confidently get the jab if they are hesitant due to the known possibility of side effects that this can help mitigate. Normally I lurk here but today I built an account to make this point, as I don't like to see the chilling effect that labeling anything that isn't all roses as antivax propaganda.
- benpiper 5y ago
  As a sidenote, it seems like the YC anti-abuse system could use a second look and possibly some tuning. Apparently a handful of accounts have been serial downvoting anything that even suggests vaccine manufacturing or preparation errors have occurred.
kfrzcode 5y ago
I cannot, as I'm simply a laypeople. There are a ton of papers I can link to in the literature though! > COVID-19 VACCINATION ADVERSE EVENTS PAPERS Abbate, A., Gavin, J., Madanchi, N., Kim, C., Shah, P. R., Klein, K., . . . Danielides, S. (2021). Fulminant myocarditis and systemic hyperinflammation temporally associated with BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in two patients. Int J Cardiol, 340, 119-121. doi:10.1016/j.ijcard.2021.08.018. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34416319 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34416319 Abu Mouch, S., Roguin, A., Hellou, E., Ishai, A., Shoshan, U., Mahamid, L., . . . Berar Yanay, N. (2021). Myocarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination. Vaccine, 39(29), 3790-3793. doi:10.1016/j.vaccine.2021.05.087. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34092429 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34092429 Albert, E., Aurigemma, G., Saucedo, J., & Gerson, D. S. (2021). Myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination. Radiol Case Rep, 16(8), 2142-2145. doi:10.1016/j.radcr.2021.05.033. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34025885 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34025885 Aye, Y. N., Mai, A. S., Zhang, A., Lim, O. Z. H., Lin, N., Ng, C. H., . . . Chew, N. W. S. (2021). Acute Myocardial Infarction and Myocarditis following COVID-19 Vaccination. QJM. doi:10.1093/qjmed/hcab252. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34586408 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34586408 Azir, M., Inman, B., Webb, J., & Tannenbaum, L. (2021). STEMI Mimic: Focal Myocarditis in an Adolescent Patient After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine. J Emerg Med, 61(6), e129-e132. doi:10.1016/j.jemermed.2021.09.017. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34756746 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34756746 Bozkurt, B., Kamat, I., & Hotez, P. J. (2021). Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines. Circulation, 144(6), 471-484. doi:10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34281357 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34281357
- kfrzcode 5y ago
  And on... and on... https://www.rwmalonemd.com/references https://www.rwmalonemd.com/references Why, again, was this guy written off as a kook?
benpiper 5y ago
Only if you think drug recall notices are "antidrug propaganda."
moistly 5y ago
OP’s post history says: yes. Account created a few years ago, has never submitted to FP until yesterday, has new submitted more than a dozen links, half of which are extremely dubious vax/anti-vax articles, plus a bit of anti-evolution/creationist bullshit. More and more we need a “report suspicious user” button. Too many throwaway and newbie accounts submitting disinformation and propaganda these days. HN is being gamed.

Can somebody verify, if this is antivax propaganda?

by m4l3x 5y ago

Can somebody verify, if this is antivax propaganda?

It certainly looks like it. From what I can see VAERS data is just reports, you cannot state that the things reported are caused by the vaccine or just happened after getting the vaccine. Anyone can report to it, there is no checking or anything. It's useful as input for further research, but making conclusions based on it seems just wrong.

astroid 5y ago

In my opinion, it is not. I am vaccinated and I used this site to make sure my batch wasn't 'bad' before getting the injection. Regardless of how you feel about vaccines, 95% of the bad reactions are linked to 5% of the batches. I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but on the surface at least that seems to suggest a manufacturing or quality control issue that may have been missed. Actually taking a closer look it was a different URL I used, but the same software to make sure I was making the safest most informed decision I was able to. I think the author posted the code somewhere too and open sourced it (I don't have a link as I'm not affiliated, just happy someone built this). So from my perspective this is an interesting data analysis project, an interesting observation on manufacturing processes, and enables people to more confidently get the jab if they are hesitant due to the known possibility of side effects that this can help mitigate. Normally I lurk here but today I built an account to make this point, as I don't like to see the chilling effect that labeling anything that isn't all roses as antivax propaganda.

benpiper 5y ago
As a sidenote, it seems like the YC anti-abuse system could use a second look and possibly some tuning. Apparently a handful of accounts have been serial downvoting anything that even suggests vaccine manufacturing or preparation errors have occurred.

kfrzcode 5y ago

I cannot, as I'm simply a laypeople. There are a ton of papers I can link to in the literature though! > COVID-19 VACCINATION ADVERSE EVENTS PAPERS Abbate, A., Gavin, J., Madanchi, N., Kim, C., Shah, P. R., Klein, K., . . . Danielides, S. (2021). Fulminant myocarditis and systemic hyperinflammation temporally associated with BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in two patients. Int J Cardiol, 340, 119-121. doi:10.1016/j.ijcard.2021.08.018. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34416319 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34416319 Abu Mouch, S., Roguin, A., Hellou, E., Ishai, A., Shoshan, U., Mahamid, L., . . . Berar Yanay, N. (2021). Myocarditis following COVID-19 mRNA vaccination. Vaccine, 39(29), 3790-3793. doi:10.1016/j.vaccine.2021.05.087. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34092429 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34092429 Albert, E., Aurigemma, G., Saucedo, J., & Gerson, D. S. (2021). Myocarditis following COVID-19 vaccination. Radiol Case Rep, 16(8), 2142-2145. doi:10.1016/j.radcr.2021.05.033. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34025885 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34025885 Aye, Y. N., Mai, A. S., Zhang, A., Lim, O. Z. H., Lin, N., Ng, C. H., . . . Chew, N. W. S. (2021). Acute Myocardial Infarction and Myocarditis following COVID-19 Vaccination. QJM. doi:10.1093/qjmed/hcab252. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34586408 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34586408 Azir, M., Inman, B., Webb, J., & Tannenbaum, L. (2021). STEMI Mimic: Focal Myocarditis in an Adolescent Patient After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine. J Emerg Med, 61(6), e129-e132. doi:10.1016/j.jemermed.2021.09.017. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34756746 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34756746 Bozkurt, B., Kamat, I., & Hotez, P. J. (2021). Myocarditis With COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines. Circulation, 144(6), 471-484. doi:10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34281357 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/34281357

kfrzcode 5y ago
And on... and on... https://www.rwmalonemd.com/references https://www.rwmalonemd.com/references Why, again, was this guy written off as a kook?

benpiper 5y ago

Only if you think drug recall notices are "antidrug propaganda."

moistly 5y ago

OP’s post history says: yes. Account created a few years ago, has never submitted to FP until yesterday, has new submitted more than a dozen links, half of which are extremely dubious vax/anti-vax articles, plus a bit of anti-evolution/creationist bullshit. More and more we need a “report suspicious user” button. Too many throwaway and newbie accounts submitting disinformation and propaganda these days. HN is being gamed.