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> I would personally prefer better protections in the US, but this is up to the US legislator - not to anyone in Europe. I don't agree that Europe can't change

> I would personally prefer better protections in the US, but this is up to the US legislator - not to anyone in Europe. I don't agree that Europe can't change anything in that regard. Deeming US-based services illegal and banning US-based companies doing business in Europe because of the way EU-customer data is treated in the US would speed up better regulations in the US tremendously. It's a fact that big corporations are ready to bend over backwards to the foreign governments, even when they require "immoral" [1] things, so they would have no problem complying with actual sensible requests [2] if they are forced to do it. [1] Chinese censorship rules, ... [2] Data protection, ...

kilburn 5y ago
> banning US-based companies doing business in Europe because of the way EU-customer data is treated in the US would speed up better regulations in the US tremendously Maybe it would, or maybe it would spur a tariff-war between the EU and US and a great deal of resentment between traditional allies. > they would have no problem complying with actual sensible requests Morality and sensibility don't play a role in modern big corps. The real question is: do these requirements impact their bottom line? Chinese censorship rules don't, but EU's data protection rules clearly do. Hence, their willingness to comply will adjust accordingly (i.e.: US corps will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening).
thinkindie 5y ago
> I don't agree that Europe can't change anything in that regard. Deeming US-based services illegal and banning US-based companies doing business in Europe because of the way EU-customer data is treated in the US would speed up better regulations in the US tremendously. I think it would do way more damage on the EU side than anything. Imagine having to migrate applications overnight because hosting with AWS has been outlawed, even with all the protections in place (e.g. location in EU, encryption etc etc).
- gampleman 5y ago
  Overnight is rather exaggerated. GDPR (which the above case is about) was approved in 2016, became enforceable in 2018, the major legal case that provided that kind of interpretation landed in 2020, and now a concrete (very high profile) enforcement is actually happened in 2022.

kilburn 5y ago

> banning US-based companies doing business in Europe because of the way EU-customer data is treated in the US would speed up better regulations in the US tremendously Maybe it would, or maybe it would spur a tariff-war between the EU and US and a great deal of resentment between traditional allies. > they would have no problem complying with actual sensible requests Morality and sensibility don't play a role in modern big corps. The real question is: do these requirements impact their bottom line? Chinese censorship rules don't, but EU's data protection rules clearly do. Hence, their willingness to comply will adjust accordingly (i.e.: US corps will fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening).

thinkindie 5y ago

> I don't agree that Europe can't change anything in that regard. Deeming US-based services illegal and banning US-based companies doing business in Europe because of the way EU-customer data is treated in the US would speed up better regulations in the US tremendously. I think it would do way more damage on the EU side than anything. Imagine having to migrate applications overnight because hosting with AWS has been outlawed, even with all the protections in place (e.g. location in EU, encryption etc etc).

gampleman 5y ago
Overnight is rather exaggerated. GDPR (which the above case is about) was approved in 2016, became enforceable in 2018, the major legal case that provided that kind of interpretation landed in 2020, and now a concrete (very high profile) enforcement is actually happened in 2022.