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I find it ironic that Game of Thrones was one of the shows with the biggest budgets, and still, especially in the last season, they mostly showed black screens.

I find it ironic that Game of Thrones was one of the shows with the biggest budgets, and still, especially in the last season, they mostly showed black screens. Add to that, how your typical flat display fails to create any contrast in dark scenes and the bad streaming quality... Ouch.

andrepd 5y ago
It's really amazing that GoT didn't go from "okay" to "terrible", or from "outstanding" to "meh", which is the most common thing. No, it really went from "outstanding" to "terrible".
- dorchadas 5y ago
  It's truly interesting. Think of how much it dominated cultural talk for a decade, then just dropped off the face of the earth after Season 8. Man D&D really screwed it up.
  - awhow 5y ago
    Like Lost
- Loughla 5y ago
  GoT is my case study in why I just simply cannot stand 99% of action movies. They're all so very formulaic. In the first seasons, working off of GRRM's writing, the seasons literally subverted expectations, just as the books. Then Hollywood had to get involved, because source material didn't exist, yet. At that point, 'subverting expectations' became the meme it is today. (Nearly) Every action movie seems just so formulaic. Action movie - hero doesn't want to be the hero for (insert dark/dramatic reason 1). Hero soon finds that being the hero is better for the world than not, regardless of personal consequence. World warps around hero to make sure s/he doesn't die. Bonus points for cool car chase, gun fight, or explosion. Nudity that doesn't move the story forward except to show that Hero likes to have sex isn't required, but will add to the box office, because people like boobies and butts.
  - Renaud 5y ago
    "the hero's journey, is the common template of stories that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed." Hero stories have been following the same template since the dawn of mankind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
    - egeozcan 5y ago
      Everyone reacts badly to this when they first hear of the concept. Then at some point you realize, that you actually don't like the scripts that won't fit too well to this. It's like a fashion sense, hard to describe the thing. A friend of mine, when he heard about this in the class, argued "but I want to create something unique that doesn't fit to this or anything else, like... the Matrix!". The professor was speechless for a moment but could keep his calm :)
      - jimmydorry 5y ago
        2020/21 has had quite a few movies that ended with the hero dying or negatively impacted. They follow the “hero’s journey trope” and then subvert. I guess they match the pandemic mood. I’m not sure if I was just made more aware of this due to COVID, or there really just has been a glut of them. The two most recent off the top of my head: * Don’t look up * James Bond No Time to Die
        egeozcan 5y ago
        Thanks for the insight, I really appreciate it but it'd be nice for others if you don't give unexpected spoilers :)
      - palebluedot 5y ago
        I think a good example of a subversion of the classic "hero's journey" is Blade Runner 2049. (I won't go into exactly why to avoid spoilers)
    - 5y ago
- baud147258 5y ago
  Personally I feel like the decline was more progressive, starting with season 5 rather than just the last seasons falling off a cliff
  - bzzzt 5y ago
    Isn't that about where the showrunners began te write the story instead of GRRM? Seemed to me they ran out of characters to kill, made some filler to get to the last season and then rushed a bunch of stuff badly.
  - andrepd 5y ago
    Oh absolutely, throwing off all pretense of a believable story for fan favourites Jamie and Bronn to go on an action romp was the first sign of things to come. Only on that season it was that storyline only, on the last two it was the entire thing x)
- afavour 5y ago
  IMO just an example of what happens when a crutch is taken away. I’ve never read the books but you could tell the early seasons told a deeply thought out and plotted story. The show creators were great at adopting that work. But once they were left to do their own thing… turns out they couldn’t do that well at all. Of course the books still aren’t done so if they waited we’d still not have anything to watch. IMO from what I’ve read about the books it sounds like they could have cut out less and made the early seasons last longer without it dragging too much.
  - delecti 5y ago
    In addition to losing the crutch, they allegedly were also in a rush to wrap things up so they could get to the Star Wars property they were set to work on. But seemingly in the process they did so badly at their rushed ending that they lost that too.
    - afavour 5y ago
      Also their ill-fated Confederate show. From a purely outsider perspective it felt like they got bored of GoT… I don’t really blame them for that, they’d been working on it for many years. But much better to hand off to some new showrunners if you’re feeling that way.
  - galangalalgol 5y ago
    I think they mostly cut the right stuff, lady stoneheart excepted. The books aren't among my favorites, but the show took all the good and left the filler. But recognizing the good bits is a different skillset than being able to create more.
- jl6 5y ago
  I find it beyond hilarious that there is an active subreddit dedicated to complaining about this decline which still gets dozens of posts a day.

andrepd 5y ago

It's really amazing that GoT didn't go from "okay" to "terrible", or from "outstanding" to "meh", which is the most common thing. No, it really went from "outstanding" to "terrible".

dorchadas 5y ago
It's truly interesting. Think of how much it dominated cultural talk for a decade, then just dropped off the face of the earth after Season 8. Man D&D really screwed it up.
- awhow 5y ago
  Like Lost
Loughla 5y ago
GoT is my case study in why I just simply cannot stand 99% of action movies. They're all so very formulaic. In the first seasons, working off of GRRM's writing, the seasons literally subverted expectations, just as the books. Then Hollywood had to get involved, because source material didn't exist, yet. At that point, 'subverting expectations' became the meme it is today. (Nearly) Every action movie seems just so formulaic. Action movie - hero doesn't want to be the hero for (insert dark/dramatic reason 1). Hero soon finds that being the hero is better for the world than not, regardless of personal consequence. World warps around hero to make sure s/he doesn't die. Bonus points for cool car chase, gun fight, or explosion. Nudity that doesn't move the story forward except to show that Hero likes to have sex isn't required, but will add to the box office, because people like boobies and butts.
- Renaud 5y ago
  "the hero's journey, is the common template of stories that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed." Hero stories have been following the same template since the dawn of mankind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero%27s_journey
  - egeozcan 5y ago
    Everyone reacts badly to this when they first hear of the concept. Then at some point you realize, that you actually don't like the scripts that won't fit too well to this. It's like a fashion sense, hard to describe the thing. A friend of mine, when he heard about this in the class, argued "but I want to create something unique that doesn't fit to this or anything else, like... the Matrix!". The professor was speechless for a moment but could keep his calm :)
    - jimmydorry 5y ago
      2020/21 has had quite a few movies that ended with the hero dying or negatively impacted. They follow the “hero’s journey trope” and then subvert. I guess they match the pandemic mood. I’m not sure if I was just made more aware of this due to COVID, or there really just has been a glut of them. The two most recent off the top of my head: * Don’t look up * James Bond No Time to Die
      - egeozcan 5y ago
        Thanks for the insight, I really appreciate it but it'd be nice for others if you don't give unexpected spoilers :)
    - palebluedot 5y ago
      I think a good example of a subversion of the classic "hero's journey" is Blade Runner 2049. (I won't go into exactly why to avoid spoilers)
  - 5y ago
baud147258 5y ago
Personally I feel like the decline was more progressive, starting with season 5 rather than just the last seasons falling off a cliff
- bzzzt 5y ago
  Isn't that about where the showrunners began te write the story instead of GRRM? Seemed to me they ran out of characters to kill, made some filler to get to the last season and then rushed a bunch of stuff badly.
- andrepd 5y ago
  Oh absolutely, throwing off all pretense of a believable story for fan favourites Jamie and Bronn to go on an action romp was the first sign of things to come. Only on that season it was that storyline only, on the last two it was the entire thing x)
afavour 5y ago
IMO just an example of what happens when a crutch is taken away. I’ve never read the books but you could tell the early seasons told a deeply thought out and plotted story. The show creators were great at adopting that work. But once they were left to do their own thing… turns out they couldn’t do that well at all. Of course the books still aren’t done so if they waited we’d still not have anything to watch. IMO from what I’ve read about the books it sounds like they could have cut out less and made the early seasons last longer without it dragging too much.
- delecti 5y ago
  In addition to losing the crutch, they allegedly were also in a rush to wrap things up so they could get to the Star Wars property they were set to work on. But seemingly in the process they did so badly at their rushed ending that they lost that too.
  - afavour 5y ago
    Also their ill-fated Confederate show. From a purely outsider perspective it felt like they got bored of GoT… I don’t really blame them for that, they’d been working on it for many years. But much better to hand off to some new showrunners if you’re feeling that way.
- galangalalgol 5y ago
  I think they mostly cut the right stuff, lady stoneheart excepted. The books aren't among my favorites, but the show took all the good and left the filler. But recognizing the good bits is a different skillset than being able to create more.
jl6 5y ago
I find it beyond hilarious that there is an active subreddit dedicated to complaining about this decline which still gets dozens of posts a day.