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Max Schrems is just incredible. Just look at his Wikipedia page [1] and see how many EU-US data transfers he's challenged successfully. [1] https://en.wikipedi

Max Schrems is just incredible. Just look at his Wikipedia page [1] and see how many EU-US data transfers he's challenged successfully. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems At this point, I wonder why the EU doesn't consult him personally prior to enacting some law. It's not as if they don't consult with others as well.

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Fnoord 5y ago
> At this point, I wonder why the EU doesn't consult him personally prior to enacting some law. It's not as if they don't consult with others as well. Because it costs companies a lot of money to merge to EU-only market, while waiting for the wheels of justice to grind buys time (for EU-only market).
- Sporktacular 5y ago
  That's right, but the US does this all the time with its military/intelligence networks, China does the same for it's public internet. It's not like their providers are running at a loss, they just need the right incentives.
cblconfederate 5y ago
What's the end goal of all this? Information (data) technology has essentially left europe The EU is never held accountable for the laws they make, and i m not aware with them consulting with local entrepreneurs. It seems only lobbyists and politicians have access
- no_time 5y ago
  >Tech has essentially left europe If your "Tech" can't work without siphoning up and selling people's personal data to the highest bidder, Good.
  - kmlx 5y ago
    > If your "Tech" can't work without siphoning up and selling people's personal data to the highest bidder, Good. Not good, not good at all. The idea is to find a common ground, not to push potentially innovative businesses and people to the rest of the planet.
    - rhn_mk1 5y ago
      Not every potential innovation's cost is acceptable. This draws a line.
    - blitzar 5y ago
      If we outlaw {child slave labour/people trafficing/theft/explotation/etc} it will just push potential businesses to another country and we will lose out on the innovation. Instead of locking your front door you should find common ground with the local thiefs so they only steal half your stuff, smash the old TV not the new one, only beat you half way dead and only kill one of your children. Anything less would just be undermining the fantastic innovation potential in your local home invasion and robbery sector.
      - nickpp 5y ago
        The fact that you need to equate something most people find quite harmless (data acquisition for targeted ads) with child slave labor, trafficking, robbery and murder only points out how weak your argument is.
        blitzar 5y ago
        There are many people on the timeline of human history that believe that child slave labor, trafficking, robbery and murder are all harmless. These are all things that have been commonplace at various points in history. If you are in an area with any population density you are sat within a few miles of more people that have committed or are currently committing those acts, with no regret at all, than there are CEO's of companies that do data acquisition for targeted ads.
- azernik 5y ago
  Changing the law to suit "local entrepreneurs" is, politically, seen as the same thing as changing it to suit any other lobbyist. The software industry's interests are not seen as politically "cleaner" than those of any other industry.
  - JAlexoid 5y ago
    Extending laws to apply to all in the market is not "favoring local entrepreneurs".
    - azernik 5y ago
      The parent comment used those exact words ("consulting with local entrepeneurs") as a reason not to implement GDPR. I was pointing out that this is did not convey the clean-and-efficient image they had in mind when framed that in opposition to lobbyists.
- WhatsName 5y ago
  Not sure, if it's bias due to being part of the netsec bubble, but there is a growing market of privacy as a feature. Also in the wake of countless breaches companies get more aware of how and where the data is stored. If your product isn't addressing this, you're probably at a growing competitive disadvantage.
- iqanq 5y ago
  >The EU is never held accountable for the laws they make Of course it is. The tech sector is practically non-existant here, and if something works out, they leave for the US. Isn't that what being accountable is?
  - pmlnr 5y ago
    The shortsighted definition of "tech sector" of some people is hilarious.
    - nickpp 5y ago
      Here in Europe we are running software tools and platforms written in the US, owned by USA-companies, on hardware designed in the US. And the people who created all that include lots of bright ex-Europeans. What do you find hilarious about that?
      - pmlnr 5y ago
        ... Same for hardware. Europe is quite big on embedded, think of Siemens just as an example.
      - azernik 5y ago
        And all those American tools would not work without East Asian (mostly Taiwanese and South Korean) hardware. Tech is global, and that doesn't mean every part of the industry is everywhere.
      - anthk 5y ago
        Without some European hardware the US would do nothing.
        nickpp 5y ago
        True, we're not completely out of the loop. But let's not fool ourselves: we are far from running the show. And with an attitude like this we will be left watching how progress and innovation will keep coming from the US, driven by our own best and brightest emigrated there.

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Fnoord 5y ago

> At this point, I wonder why the EU doesn't consult him personally prior to enacting some law. It's not as if they don't consult with others as well. Because it costs companies a lot of money to merge to EU-only market, while waiting for the wheels of justice to grind buys time (for EU-only market).

Sporktacular 5y ago
That's right, but the US does this all the time with its military/intelligence networks, China does the same for it's public internet. It's not like their providers are running at a loss, they just need the right incentives.

cblconfederate 5y ago

What's the end goal of all this? Information (data) technology has essentially left europe The EU is never held accountable for the laws they make, and i m not aware with them consulting with local entrepreneurs. It seems only lobbyists and politicians have access

no_time 5y ago
>Tech has essentially left europe If your "Tech" can't work without siphoning up and selling people's personal data to the highest bidder, Good.
- kmlx 5y ago
  > If your "Tech" can't work without siphoning up and selling people's personal data to the highest bidder, Good. Not good, not good at all. The idea is to find a common ground, not to push potentially innovative businesses and people to the rest of the planet.
  - rhn_mk1 5y ago
    Not every potential innovation's cost is acceptable. This draws a line.
  - blitzar 5y ago
    If we outlaw {child slave labour/people trafficing/theft/explotation/etc} it will just push potential businesses to another country and we will lose out on the innovation. Instead of locking your front door you should find common ground with the local thiefs so they only steal half your stuff, smash the old TV not the new one, only beat you half way dead and only kill one of your children. Anything less would just be undermining the fantastic innovation potential in your local home invasion and robbery sector.
    - nickpp 5y ago
      The fact that you need to equate something most people find quite harmless (data acquisition for targeted ads) with child slave labor, trafficking, robbery and murder only points out how weak your argument is.
      - blitzar 5y ago
        There are many people on the timeline of human history that believe that child slave labor, trafficking, robbery and murder are all harmless. These are all things that have been commonplace at various points in history. If you are in an area with any population density you are sat within a few miles of more people that have committed or are currently committing those acts, with no regret at all, than there are CEO's of companies that do data acquisition for targeted ads.
azernik 5y ago
Changing the law to suit "local entrepreneurs" is, politically, seen as the same thing as changing it to suit any other lobbyist. The software industry's interests are not seen as politically "cleaner" than those of any other industry.
- JAlexoid 5y ago
  Extending laws to apply to all in the market is not "favoring local entrepreneurs".
  - azernik 5y ago
    The parent comment used those exact words ("consulting with local entrepeneurs") as a reason not to implement GDPR. I was pointing out that this is did not convey the clean-and-efficient image they had in mind when framed that in opposition to lobbyists.
WhatsName 5y ago
Not sure, if it's bias due to being part of the netsec bubble, but there is a growing market of privacy as a feature. Also in the wake of countless breaches companies get more aware of how and where the data is stored. If your product isn't addressing this, you're probably at a growing competitive disadvantage.
iqanq 5y ago
>The EU is never held accountable for the laws they make Of course it is. The tech sector is practically non-existant here, and if something works out, they leave for the US. Isn't that what being accountable is?
- pmlnr 5y ago
  The shortsighted definition of "tech sector" of some people is hilarious.
  - nickpp 5y ago
    Here in Europe we are running software tools and platforms written in the US, owned by USA-companies, on hardware designed in the US. And the people who created all that include lots of bright ex-Europeans. What do you find hilarious about that?
    - pmlnr 5y ago
      ... Same for hardware. Europe is quite big on embedded, think of Siemens just as an example.
    - azernik 5y ago
      And all those American tools would not work without East Asian (mostly Taiwanese and South Korean) hardware. Tech is global, and that doesn't mean every part of the industry is everywhere.
    - anthk 5y ago
      Without some European hardware the US would do nothing.
      - nickpp 5y ago
        True, we're not completely out of the loop. But let's not fool ourselves: we are far from running the show. And with an attitude like this we will be left watching how progress and innovation will keep coming from the US, driven by our own best and brightest emigrated there.