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Why Android houses should give Google the 'fork you'

17 points by fvbock 15y ago

zitterbewegung 15y ago
Could the android houses band together and create their own fork with a shared software repository and a shared cloud? That could be a much better tactic than going it alone from a cost perspective.
- bradleyland 15y ago
  That'd be a sideways move. The handset manufacturers are looking for a way to stand out. They need something that you can't get elsewhere. The problem is, none of them are really sure of what that "something" is. Simply moving to a non-Google version of Android doesn't differentiate anyone, it just creates a level paying field where handsets continue to become commoditized.
Mavrik 15y ago
Fragmenting Android even further would only kill their competitvness. None of the developers want to go back to times when you had to build your app for each manufacturer's phones separately. Forking Android would just push more quality apps back to Apples consistent platform.
vondur 15y ago
It seems to me as soon as they forked it, Oracle would be suing them. Again, they would still have to pay for it. Maybe if they got together and purchased WebOS, that would be a more viable option. I wonder if Amazon has dealt with Oracle over the their fork of Android?
Mordor 15y ago
How about phone manufacturers do both and see which sells the most phones (like they normally do).
martythemaniak 15y ago
There many things wrong with that article. First, you gotta wonder at Amazon's PR machine - without even a product demo or announcement, let alone a unit sold, they're already somehow Apple's #1 competitor. Second, what Amazon has apparently chosen to do (the Nook way) isn't a "fork", but a UI skin like MIUI. The OS would be the same and would be compatible with all Android apps, but the graphics and the homescreen launcher different. Third, you have to keep in mind the fact that not even Apple has been able to offer a Google-free product - maps, youtube and gmail integration are still a core, most-have part of iOS. An amazon tablet without Gmaps or navigation would be pretty lacking compared to the competition. The barrier to handset makers becoming full-fledged software and services providers is quite immense. Having said all that, I think there's quite a bit of differentiation they could do without trying to out-compete Google at their core-competency. Android allows innovative new products to be built and handset makers have been slow to take advantage of this. Examples are Motorola's Webtop, Kyocera's dual-screen phone, HTC and Samsung's stylus-optional tablets, nVidia's Tegra Zone, SE's Xperia Play etc. If they focused on executing offerings like these rather than redoing Google's work, they could both differentiate themselves and still take advantage of all the great features that come with a Google-licensed Android.
roc 15y ago
> "the billion-dollar question is why mobile handset manufacturers bother to play ball with Mountain View at all." If the smartphone revolution has taught us anything, it should be that you don't just flip a switch and build a competitive smartphone OS. Microsoft and Palm both created very polished, capable, user-friendly and robust operating systems that have gone nowhere. The Android situation isn't all roses for all partners. But there's a considerable amount of work involved in even attempting a fork and a considerable amount of risk.
mrj 15y ago
Or they could forget doing their own fork and snag cyanogenmod or one of the many great custom roms that build on the open source core. Oh wait, Samsung already hired Cyanogen...

17 points by fvbock 15y ago

Could the android houses band together and create their own fork with a shared software repository and a shared cloud? That could be a much better tactic than going it alone from a cost perspective.

bradleyland 15y ago
That'd be a sideways move. The handset manufacturers are looking for a way to stand out. They need something that you can't get elsewhere. The problem is, none of them are really sure of what that "something" is. Simply moving to a non-Google version of Android doesn't differentiate anyone, it just creates a level paying field where handsets continue to become commoditized.

Mavrik 15y ago

Fragmenting Android even further would only kill their competitvness. None of the developers want to go back to times when you had to build your app for each manufacturer's phones separately. Forking Android would just push more quality apps back to Apples consistent platform.

vondur 15y ago

It seems to me as soon as they forked it, Oracle would be suing them. Again, they would still have to pay for it. Maybe if they got together and purchased WebOS, that would be a more viable option. I wonder if Amazon has dealt with Oracle over the their fork of Android?

Mordor 15y ago

How about phone manufacturers do both and see which sells the most phones (like they normally do).

martythemaniak 15y ago

There many things wrong with that article. First, you gotta wonder at Amazon's PR machine - without even a product demo or announcement, let alone a unit sold, they're already somehow Apple's #1 competitor. Second, what Amazon has apparently chosen to do (the Nook way) isn't a "fork", but a UI skin like MIUI. The OS would be the same and would be compatible with all Android apps, but the graphics and the homescreen launcher different. Third, you have to keep in mind the fact that not even Apple has been able to offer a Google-free product - maps, youtube and gmail integration are still a core, most-have part of iOS. An amazon tablet without Gmaps or navigation would be pretty lacking compared to the competition. The barrier to handset makers becoming full-fledged software and services providers is quite immense. Having said all that, I think there's quite a bit of differentiation they could do without trying to out-compete Google at their core-competency. Android allows innovative new products to be built and handset makers have been slow to take advantage of this. Examples are Motorola's Webtop, Kyocera's dual-screen phone, HTC and Samsung's stylus-optional tablets, nVidia's Tegra Zone, SE's Xperia Play etc. If they focused on executing offerings like these rather than redoing Google's work, they could both differentiate themselves and still take advantage of all the great features that come with a Google-licensed Android.

roc 15y ago

> "the billion-dollar question is why mobile handset manufacturers bother to play ball with Mountain View at all." If the smartphone revolution has taught us anything, it should be that you don't just flip a switch and build a competitive smartphone OS. Microsoft and Palm both created very polished, capable, user-friendly and robust operating systems that have gone nowhere. The Android situation isn't all roses for all partners. But there's a considerable amount of work involved in even attempting a fork and a considerable amount of risk.

mrj 15y ago

Or they could forget doing their own fork and snag cyanogenmod or one of the many great custom roms that build on the open source core. Oh wait, Samsung already hired Cyanogen...