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I guarantee this is happening in every state in the US right now.

• xfitm3 5y ago
  Should we have fired unvaccinated medical workers?
  • mk81 5y ago
  • theplumber 5y ago
    Yes
  • abc_lisper 5y ago
    Doesn't matter. The virus will take care of them in a couple of days on the job. They would be out after that.
    • austhrow743 5y ago
      Most people had no to low symptoms even with Covid original. Far more so now with Omicron.
  • wahern 5y ago
    According to this November, 2021 article, 20% of health care workers have quit since the pandemic: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-11-15/us-faces-crisis-of-burned-out-health-care-workers https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-11-15/... According to this aggregation of stats, it seems about 1% of hospital staff have been terminated or quit due to COVID-19 vaccination compliance: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/vaccination-requirements-spur-employee-terminations-resignations-numbers-from-6-health-systems.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/vaccination-... The numbers seem to be lower in highly vaccinated states and higher in vaccine skeptic states, so for California the number is probably lower than 1%. I'm not sure if those numbers favor or disfavor your point, but I was curious.
    • reducesuffering 5y ago
      That link you referred to about 1% seems to be just firings. From personal experience with someone who works in California hospitals, I can say that there is massive stigma to those unvaccinated (with no regards to previous infection immunity, of which 2 years into the pandemic I'd wager 1/2 of them have it due to proximity), and a good portion of that 20% you mentioned quit will be preemptive because of dissatisfaction with mandate policies and stigma.
      • wahern 5y ago
        > That link you referred to about 1% seems to be just firings. Several of the hospital reports included resignations and early retirements, and at least one reported only voluntary resignations and zero dismissals, yet the numbers seemed to align well. But I was mostly just eyeballing an overall estimate of 1%. And the 1% and 20% figures aren't even directly comparable as I assume all health care workers (latter group) are a different group than hospital staff (most of the former group). Still, they're sourced numbers, which is something. Numbers with citations can be vetted, just as you did, and they can help anchor the debate.
    • genocidicbunny 5y ago
      I wonder what the breakdown is of nurses/doctors vs admin staff that was fired. Anecdotally, in New Orleans a lot of the firings were of admin staff.
      • profile53 5y ago
        From working in a hospital: - Much more admin and nursing staff than medical doctors. At the hospital I was at (in an overall left leaning area), I’d estimate between 10 and 15 percent of staff left. In comparison, only a couple doctors left. - Relatively few firings. There was a strong push by management to pressure people into quitting. And for those that did not, many were placed on indefinite unpaid administrative leave. The rumor in the facility was that management did so to avoid triggering the layoff provisions in the union contract as a loophole.
  • 8note 5y ago
    If they're definitely going to catch covid from their coworkers, it seems a bit of a liability for the hospital, considering the elevated risk of severe disease from not being vaccinated
    • reducesuffering 5y ago
      I'm sure they would enthusiastically sign whatever form absolves liability...