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I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? As near as I can tell there's a lot of common h

I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? As near as I can tell there's a lot of common human medicines also used on animals and available at veterinary supply stores. Unfortunately in ivermectin's case this is being used in a propaganda campaign. Just to put things in perspective, the same people who helped launch the propaganda campaign against hydroxychloroquine also launched one against ACE Inhibitors[0], that's been since retracted, but still gets cited and used to make policy. A later, actual, study without fabricated data indicated that this was not only untrue, but suggests that the first fraudulent study was actually harmful. [1]. (And just as an aside... that the guys behind surgisphere have done all this _without being investigated further_ is to me one of those Sherlock Holmesian dogs-that-didn't-bark moments in this whole crisis). [0]: https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-surgisphere-acearb-study-still-gets-cited https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-sur... [1]: https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503 https://heart.bmj.com/content/106/19/1503

King-Aaron 5y ago
> I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? Considering Omura recieved that award for research into infections caused by roundworm parasites, I don't know if that's strictly relevant in discussing it as a treatment for SARS-cov2. "Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria)" https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-releas...
- cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
  It's at least relevant because it has a history of being used in large volumes with humans without killing them. It's more than just "Sheep dip" which is the propaganda talking point.
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    The fact that you keep using the word 'propaganda' when referencing warning people against using a non-approved veterinarian product with known severe side effects in humans says a lot about your position on the subject. As it stands there is no strong evidence that supports Ivermectin as an effective treatment for covid-19 (The big Elgazzar study was withdrawn due to it being mainly faked, and the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found it to not be a viable treatment) and many people have been hospitalised due to self medicating with the stuff.
    - kranke155 5y ago
      Veterinarian product ? You must be joking? There’s a human and an animal formulation for ivermectin. Its use is widespread in many countries including places in Africa where it’s cured river blindness since that’s caused by a parasite. You seem woefully misinformed yourself if you think ivermectin is a vet Product. It’s human medicine, in use for decades.
      - cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
        Well, it's a vet product, just like Azithromycin used in animals as well as humans, and prescribed to me in the past and furosemide, used in horses as well as people, and which I am currently prescribed... The propaganda point is where you use the fact that it's used in horses to ignore that it's also prescribed to humans on a large scale.
        kranke155 5y ago
        Pretty much.

King-Aaron 5y ago

> I guess for some strange reason the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to Satoshi Omera for... Sheep Dip? Considering Omura recieved that award for research into infections caused by roundworm parasites, I don't know if that's strictly relevant in discussing it as a treatment for SARS-cov2. "Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria)" https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-releas...

cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
It's at least relevant because it has a history of being used in large volumes with humans without killing them. It's more than just "Sheep dip" which is the propaganda talking point.
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  The fact that you keep using the word 'propaganda' when referencing warning people against using a non-approved veterinarian product with known severe side effects in humans says a lot about your position on the subject. As it stands there is no strong evidence that supports Ivermectin as an effective treatment for covid-19 (The big Elgazzar study was withdrawn due to it being mainly faked, and the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found it to not be a viable treatment) and many people have been hospitalised due to self medicating with the stuff.
  - kranke155 5y ago
    Veterinarian product ? You must be joking? There’s a human and an animal formulation for ivermectin. Its use is widespread in many countries including places in Africa where it’s cured river blindness since that’s caused by a parasite. You seem woefully misinformed yourself if you think ivermectin is a vet Product. It’s human medicine, in use for decades.
    - cheaprentalyeti 5y ago
      Well, it's a vet product, just like Azithromycin used in animals as well as humans, and prescribed to me in the past and furosemide, used in horses as well as people, and which I am currently prescribed... The propaganda point is where you use the fact that it's used in horses to ignore that it's also prescribed to humans on a large scale.
      - kranke155 5y ago
        Pretty much.